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The discussion estimates that the independent podcast app ecosystem represents roughly 10% of total listening. Curry argues that if these apps collectively publish real numbers for follows, plays, and completion rates, they can become the "de facto source of truth" for the industry, bypassing traditional hosting company metrics.
The discussion highlights the untapped value of small podcasts with niche, loyal audiences compared to massive shows like Joe Rogan's. The hosts suggest that the "billion dollars on the sidelines" mentioned by the AMP Accords is actually money currently flowing to YouTube. They criticize major players like Spotify and SiriusXM for trying to capture YouTube's market share through closed systems.
