Episode 266: Research Velocity

00:00 Podcasting 2.0 for July 24th, 2026 Episode 266 Research Velocity Hello everybody! Hello everybody in podcasting land Is there anything going on? Is there anything to talk about? Well only the future of podcasting Yeah that's right This is the board meeting The place where it all goes down Where this This band of misfits gets together to discuss it all. We are the only board meeting you can attend with your eyes closed! I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, The man who could tell you exactly why the Roman Empire fell Say hello to my friend on the other end The one, the only Mr. Dave Jones

00:50 Anything happening in your world? Nah, not much going on. Yes it seems a little slow. It's been a slow week Yeah you're just kind of hunting around for stuff to do nothing really. I don't want to do any long podcasts or anything and oh yeah that's right! And i want anyone who I know to die this week Well so Six hours of podcast. How much do you even have in the tank today? I got a tank, but I'm running on it and I'm running in crisis mode I would say you know that mode where just like I'm running crisis mode Can I can I sort of take the wheel for a second yeah sure I would like to I'd like to just ask you if You're okay with this. I would like to ask you some

01:48 questions that I think would be helpful for people who might be in your same shoes. Okay, sure! And so you're co-host of No Agenda because there's a lot overlap between No Agenda and Podcasting 2.0 but not 100%. Well it does me That's true. You're in the Venn diagram, you're the one where it all over you at the center I'm there. Yeah. Um, you and Cotton Gin? And so uh... The-the some people may not know who are not listen to Noh Jinda and your long time cohost for 18 years is that right? Yeah would have been 19 in October

02:46 passed away this week. And that is for any show that has been running for a substantial amount of time and for any show, so there's a few questions I want to ask about this because if any, like, I guess number one, a little bit of selfish concern for you that I have cause you're my buddy No agenda is your main source of income. Yes, I need to ask you are you gonna be okay? I don't know Honestly, I don't know I appreciate the question You know would we be okay for a year without income yeah that would be it Okay So it's not not preferred I mean up and down income Is the life of any sort of freelance yes

03:50 person, whether it's a contractor or freelance artist or any type of person who does freelancing. I mean you're not where you don't have a guaranteed paycheck. So for and again, I'm kind of asking this question as if another person out there who also may have a co-host and have a long running show that is my main source of income like what do you think your next steps are? Wow these are very good questions the questions i've been asking myself

04:27 Um, well why am I hearing myself come back from you? Oh, I know why. Hold on that's...I got it. Am I headphones too loud? No no no, I fixed it. Well there is a couple things here The main issue so first of all just want to put the money aside because I've never really worked for money and it shows He does! So what's interesting about any podcast, I guess but ours in particular and I said this yesterday in my opening of our tribute show which will carry we're gonna do Sunday We'll do some clips. And the main thing is people want to have their say so we just put it in your donation note and we'll read them all that we read 753 notes yesterday That's why was a six-hour show

05:26 My goodness that is so much, but it was beautiful of course and yeah The thing that struck me as an aside is the number of faithful people You know not just people sending thoughts and prayers for like real prayers Which was kind of blew me away. That's great Yeah we deconstructed media But it was a performance We always said this it was a poor performance between the two of us And if anything, I think we both kind of want to make the other guy laugh and wanted to say hey look at me. Like I got something look at this theory I have or look at these things that found a clip of the day that kind of stuff so that's chemistry that we didn't even start until we had been talking on Skype 18 years ago for weeks you know hey we should probably record this That's literally how it got started

06:24 So very much like you and I have been, well we've been talking for years before we did the podcast. Do We Get to do This with Pastor Jimmy? We're now 42 episodes in so you know i'm not a solo guy. I'm someone who works with someone else and that you can't just plug someone in and oh okay now it's going to be great! And also I don't think that I don't know if that would work. And honestly, I'm also very tired. I'm just tired ever since John's bypass surgery maybe a little bit before that

07:14 I felt like it was propping him up, dragging him along a little bit which was completely understandable. Also you know not no one knew this because it was the big secret I supposed to keep but he was 80 years old not 74 so he was a little older Not that thats a death sentence for most You know, and just what's happening? What's going on a concern for him. Two families have been living off of this show in essence for all this time so I really don't know what's gonna happen or what i'm gonna do. Honestly, I think I need just a week or two of rest

08:03 I don't think his passing has even really hit me because you know, you get the call on Monday. There's... what are we going to do? Consoling mourning with with his family it affected me and i don't think i've processed that yet And, you know this just I'm like so i haven't really quite wrapped my head around it but yes. I do have to figure something out for sure what that is? Uh...I just don't know and do I really want to try and do no agenda with someone else? I-i don't think it would be the same and it would I think it would feel fake to me does that make sense? Mm-hmm yeah it does make sense

08:51 It also makes sense that you wouldn't have really been able to process through all of this. Like sometimes I think when you're in a situation like this where somebody passes away, but you also have lots of responsibilities that sort of orbit around that person even a spouse or something like you, their passing your grief connected to their passing gets pushed to the side for a while because you just have to take care of a lot of things. You have to take care if you're in the family, you have to take care of funeral and all those things If your somebody who's business partner or long time friend or you have other responsibilities everything suddenly becomes around

09:46 There are immediate actions that I need to take to take care of real world issues. And so you tend to put your own grief to the side for a little while and then it's only later that you really begin to experience that." And so that makes a lot of sense. I mean, you probably just kind of feel a little bit lost right now, I would imagine. Yeah and Tina has been fantastic. She's like we'll figure it out everything is doable everything is possible We will figure it out she's not... That's really awesome that she's not freaking out but she realizes the same thing It's like okay well what does this mean? How do how do we move forward if income stops

10:34 But I'm trying not to, I kind of stopped worrying about money in 1990 for a whole bunch of reasons. And mostly because you lost it all? No no that came later! Okay... That came in the 2000s and I really love podcasting. I love the shows that I do. I loved NO Agenda really did but I just don't see how You know recreate some chemistry I think it always whoever comes in if that were the way, I would go it would always be unbalanced. You know what? I mean and and also you know we were 50-50 partners on a handshake literally except for the

11:24 We had to form an LLC because the IRS was like, what are all these $3 checks? And what's all this cash and envelopes. Are you a political candidate? What is this? What's going on with that? So we had to formalize that so there's another party in this equation. You know, how do you deal with that? But just from a creative standpoint John was my counterpart And just like you're my counterpart on this show and Jimmy's my counterpart, we get to do this. And that's something of... Jimmy and I have been talking for years before we said hey let's hit record on this same with you and i so i don't have that luxury of finding oh let me find you buddy yeah yeah let's talk for a bit no hit record just doesn't doesn't seem like it but it's just interesting as and John and i would talk about this all the time this was our famed exit strategy uh

12:21 talk because there's no exiting from a podcast, except the way he did it. He literally took the only exit strategy there is and by the way to just be lighted out while grousing about a hole in a plot of NCIS yeah I'll sign me up for that That's the way to go. That simultaneously the most John Dvorak thing to do and also a great way to go out. Exactly, exactly! So I appreciate him for that but you know it'll sound corny but I'm just putting my faith in God and praying about it and saying what does this mean? And listening for answers...and that will take a little bit of time

13:08 without the stress of, you know doing a show twice a week. So I have some thoughts on how we'll keep the show going for a couple weeks so i can just get my head together and we'll see where it goes but I appreciate the concern because yeah the concern is obviously real You have to get a job! I don't know Maybe... This could be the case that other people face when they have a long-running cohost. I think there's maybe not a lot of people in this situation, but there are quite a few who... Think about any show like take Accidental Tech or The Flophouse or any of these shows where there's two or three people whose personalities combine

14:08 to create really what the show is. It's not one, you really can't just plug another person in it's really this unique fingerprint that's created by the combination of the personalities and how they interact. Here's the thing that is unique though about this because With everything I've ever done in broadcasting, and certainly in podcasting. I learned a long time ago and this is part of the value for value model Is that you're building a community not an audience See this is my... This is completely antithetical to what the podcast industrial complex wants

14:50 You know, they want numbers. You got to have numbers and we're going to jerry-rig this thing so that we can show numbers even if you hit play and listen for 30 seconds We've got numbers! Numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers And... That's very very difficult Now, we probably would have made a little maybe 20% less money with advertising with the amount depending on how many ads we would jam into a show just looking at the number of downloads if we'd gone that route. And it would have never worked because, you know we would've lost advertisers for all kinds of reasons and certainly during COVID where the value-for-value model actually worked very well in our favor that would have been extremely adverse if we were an ad driven podcast. And so no agenda is far bigger than Adam & John

15:46 I mean, we have five meetups a weekend taking place all over the world. It's not like we're at the meetups people just hanging out together and discussing topics that we discussed or whatever they're doing you know? We've had people meet each other get married it's a community that will definitely help me through it no matter what I do or how it goes but also feel responsibility towards them too You know, you can't rug pull. I mean that's just not something that can happen it's way too big! We have a language we have jokes and inside jokes and all kinds of things that you know...I don't want that to fall apart That's a really good general point to make about what No Agenda was is because you built

16:49 Because you built and it evolved over time into being more than just content. It was a whole community of people, that community of people will follow you to your next project but it doesn't mean that you're gonna keep them there I mean if the content is poor they won't stay but at least you've built the community and that community is strong and will follow you and give this next, whatever project you do next they'll give that a shot. Yeah I know And that gives you at least it gives you solid footing to begin with because they want...I think a lot of them like its sort of like when Neil Peart passed away in Rush

17:43 that you can't just plug him in. You can't, he can't plug the new person in and go a, you have to it's just not that band anymore. It's whatever you do next will be something different because I think of our show we've been going for six years and don't die on me I swear, I promise. Not planning? Okay good! I promise I will never die but the like if you know if you left or something...I could like.. I'm not gonna just keep doing it by myself or with somebody else It's just not this is not the same thing and the desire to even do that wouldn't be there Right well that there you go

18:35 Because this also applies to, it's not just if you're a podcaster and your long-time podcast cohost dies. It's not that they die, they could also just leave for business reasons or health reasons. There are lots of reasons why something like that could become an issue for people. I guess you just have to, it has to be part of your planning process. Basically what we're saying is podcasting is a bad industry to get into It never ends well. Never ends well! You check in, but you don't check out. Exactly! The only way you check out is you die. That's straight up man...straight up so I'll figure it out that mean I have some ideas of spoken to a few people there are some plans ummm....I want the show to continue now i'm not going do the show with Mimi you know thats just thats not that would be probably the worst part like you know

19:37 Although she is an interesting person, but it's I can't do the show with anybody else. I can't do that show the way it is so something has to transform and I may or may not be a part of it But I think the show can continue one way or the other mm-hmm? I'm just not sure how yet And as I said, I haven't really you know was Monday we heard, Tuesday it's like okay. Well first I literally just sat on the couch Monday like what? What just happened? Tuesday you know we were talking with everybody trying to get stuff together We wanted to do a memorial show of course Wednesday...I don't know what I did Wednesday and we just did the show Thursday And that was six hours is long when you're reading 700 notes

20:31 And today or tomorrow I've got to put something together, some kind of best of John Clips. People are sending stuff to me so that's really good always the producers of course they do a great job So i gotta put that together and then we have to read the rest of the notes because more will come in And then, you know John's memorial is gonna be on August 8th. So we got it to San Francisco I also coincidentally like you know the same within the same 20-hour period that John died. I got a baby granddaughter Yeah, that's right Man both sides life and one go and when we gotta go too We've got to go visit

21:13 Yeah, because we haven't seen that we were there long. You have some kind of buzz going on do you have a USB cable? Do you have the USB cable somewhere near me here no not really I think it's gone now yeah it is now It's gone good so we'll see as I would say in these cases it was a real day wrecker that's for sure it's a real day wrecker Now, there's a couple of things going on that I find extremely interesting in the podcast world. This AMP group came out and still kind of secret who is in it... You find it interesting? I find it interesting because I see opportunity That's why And then I see opportunity that may be counter to what most people see I thought the two most interesting things

22:10 Did you read the document? I did read the document, yeah. And... You know so they have a definition of what a podcast is and you know I kind of like the idea it works with your eyes closed okay that's cute and then they add to that which hasn't really been discussed could be RSS doesn't have to be okay well i take some exception to that but then all folds right into Just the biggest, it's so obvious. Well okay so I was listening to Dan Granger on Pod News Weekly Review and he said you know the worst thing we can do is we can be confusing our customers and i thought hold on a second who is the customer of a podcast? That's the listener! And they're all focused on the advertiser

23:00 And I understand it and understand what they want to do. And it's not going to make, it's gonna make a few people a lot of money and most people will get nothing because agencies and platforms and agencies platforms well you know they're basically rolling everything up. So if you get 10,000 downloads which is quite a lot for any podcast they're gonna take 100 of them roll them up and they're gonna make their 15% agency cut or whatever it is and everyone else will get yeah okay that's not... You can't live off of it nice little money And somehow that's a multi-billion dollar industry I'm just not seeing it but I guess it's true

23:48 And so then they come up with this metric, which is so... I mean on its face it's just such a lie. We're going to determine what a play is and see there are 60 seconds or 30 seconds. I'm like you actually with the infrastructure they're talking about putting together with apps handing over all this data which we know that an app can actually Do a pretty good job of understanding what people are doing and even how long they're listening But see they don't want to do that. They don't want to actually say yes advertiser your ad was heard Or at least played while someone had the phone in their hand and was using it And the play button was pressed we're going to presume they were listening, and they heard your ad They don't want to do that which which if you're gonna do all this data stuff anyway Just get to it You can do that but they don't want to because they know it's bullshit

24:44 because the numbers will drop off a cliff, which I personally think would be good. Because then you have more scarcity you can ask for higher CPMs but the industry is all built around this now and they don't want to see that happen so the whole thing is kind of a farce and as I'm listening to it... Well first of all if I am on a podcast app just take Apple for example And I hit another chapter Does that count as another play? Why would that, what are you thinking in that regard. Well I mean we're hearing all of these numbers coming out of Apple like you know I had 300 people listening but I had 350 plays why is that is that because

25:37 The plays get registered when it stops for a second because you got a text message or you hit on a chapter. There's all these variables that we don't know and so this just, it's gotten even worse I think what they're proposing is worse than downloads now It's just all these variables and they're cutting everybody out. They only want to get Apple on board, Spotify I guess will be on board by default YouTube is in there it's only going to get worse for everybody it's not gonna get any better then you know this no one's talking about Podverse or Podcast Guru or True Fans No one's talking about that they don't care they do not care

26:25 They only care about Apple, Spotify and I guess YouTube. That's all the big three, the big three! The big three! The big three! So you know it's like good luck. Good luck." I mean this could have...I'm conflicted a lot about this whole amp thing because there's part of me that says this whole thing is just going to be sort of a bump And then it's nobody is ever going to think about it again. I mean, I would not...I'm gonna give my thoughts on and try to be as kind as I can but also give my raw opinion because I think that people like Dan and Giles and others they just seem like nice well-intentioned people

27:35 It would not surprise me if this thing just basically goes into most people's trash bin like right after they read it and it'll never be thought of again. I'm not trying to be dismissive, I'm just giving what I think is an honest assessment that I'm not sure that this document is ever going to, is going to even last in anybody's memory past this week. That's a very short life you give it there. Well... There are some reasons for that. They contacted me last week and asked for my opinion this past week and I was very honest with them

28:36 disagreed philosophically with doing things in private. And I think that the only way they could get all these people in the same Zoom session together was by making everything very private and a bunch of NDAs and that kind of thing, I think that's the only way any of these big players are going to actually talk to one another and try to do things in anything a committee or anything like that. So the secrecy was baked in from the very beginning, probably because... Probably not out of desire but probably because it was just the only way to get all those people in the same room together and The problem with that though is that whatever decisions they make In the secret room don't have a chance to be commented on by people outside of that secret room bubble

29:39 And that's why doing things in secret is not the right approach and it kneecaps otherwise noble efforts. Because when you do it in secret, you don't have the insight that communities bring and you can short circuit a lot of wasted effort and a lot of mediocre ideas by just having more people give their opinion And that it was clear that, that was not done here. Now I mean, I want...I was wanting to have those guys on the show but that's proving to be a little more difficult than i thought it would be and maybe we'll still be able to get that to happen but like essentially I'm just gonna talk quickly about the questions I would ask or I would wanna ask is

30:47 But what the, the podcast definition part of the document to me that's seems like a little bit internal like inside baseball to the marketing industry. And I don't mean it doesn't really, I don't care whatever that's their business but then the document takes a turn and asks and starts laying out a lot of technical specifications and what it lays out is a heavy lift on podcast app developers. What it wants is constant reporting, first party reporting of play metrics that are somewhat anonymized and let me say what I mean by somewhat. It's using the made MAID standard for like in a hashed email address

31:53 for the listener, it is not clear in what ways this interacts with GDPR compliance and California's privacy regulations. No that's a good point So immediately... And the document lays this out It lays out that there will have to be opt-outs and things like that are put in place in order to support this because there is probably going to be some sort of violation of GDPR or some sort of interaction with those laws. And so what you end up with is a humongous coding effort on the part of an, of a small team or a solo app developer and it's a ton of work with lots of exposure to downside

32:58 Because now if the thing, if this stuff breaks you hear directly from the app user. If now you have to support all the GDPR takedown delete my account requests. There is... And all of this stuff comes to the app developer not the people who wrote this specification. I didn't see app developers in there anywhere All that was in this document on the app development side was what they want Yeah, and there's nothing in there about what the app developers are gonna get because the ad developers not going to get anything but headaches No There's all that the app developers in this in In what is being asked? The app developers Get all of the downside and none of the benefit. I mean really They're doing what?

33:56 advertising always drives companies to do is hijack it. And the problem is that people have tried to hijack RSS for decades and it's very, very difficult and I don't really think they can do it. The whole nature of the whole openness of RSS is antithetical to how advertising works. Advertising wants to be in a controlled environment, we have all this information and... We can really also artificially restrict the supply to up the demand to increase the CPM And the internet I mean ask yourself who is really making a living with a blog? Nobody!

34:48 The only thing that is reasonably successful is Substack. And I'm sure there are others, but Substack has a very interesting model that make it super easy for you to basically create... They have a funding tag, click here if you want to spend money once you're in the system then you can subscribe to any of these blogs, we'll just call them blogs. And now they also do podcasts and that's actually not a bad idea I don't like that it's a platform because platforms can change they can change ownership they go all kinds of stuff can happen They can increase fees You know all these problems I think still

35:39 A podcast is something you create to listen to if you want it. If you want to make your living out of it, You're gonna have to do something else It's not just about how do I increase my downloads? They're there this whole amp group the way I think they're looking at it. Is like influencers So they have their dynamically inserted ads which they just want to do with scale so I just want to buy 1,000 podcasts insert my ad there Each podcast has 10,000... Has 1,000 downloads listens plays whatever you want to call it. So that's a million. That's 1000 CPMs so that should cost me $3,000-$5,000 whatever probably less and the money that trickles down is pennies everybody else

36:32 The influencer part is, which is a very established industry right now. I know because my daughter's doing it and they look at how many followers do you have? So you have to have at least 50 thousand followers and then they look at your views And they don't really care how long you watch because this video has a different experience And say, OK you get X amount of views per post. We want you to promote this product incorporated into your content which usually turns out to be the content which I've always been a fan of that. I like Home Shopping Network. You know, I think it's a great model and that's kind of what they want to do

37:17 But that's because the platforms have all this information and Lord, the platformers they make more money on selling the user, the viewer information than they do on the ads. You know to data brokers and all this stuff So it's really... people want to capitalize and want to monetize podcasting It's not set up for it And it never will be because it's not, this is why they say doesn't have to be an RSS feed. That's the key! That's the key that's the thing they want This is a podcast and you don't have to do it in any certain way, but if this podcast is on YouTube or if it's in some other enclosed environment. And I'm sure Instagram will soon have podcasts they'll call it podcasts love a tab called podcasts X will have that everybody will have that

38:13 But that's when you are so at risk. It's worse than your podcast partner dying, you know? Lost Adam. Oh did you lose me? Hello? There you are! You disappeared. I'm sorry didn't mean to. That was weird. No I was saying that where'd you lose me? I don't remember. Okay, it was like one is like five words ago wasn't important. Um, I just...I don't see it as so you said Instagram's gonna have a podcast tab? Yeah everyone's gonna have a podcast tab and that's going to be called a podcast and now you'll have to upload your video to all these different platforms meant it's the opposite of what podcasting is the opposite well I can tell you this

39:07 Marco Arment is going to keep a copy of this document in the bathroom so he can wipe his ass with it every time he goes to the bathroom. And I can pretty much guarantee you that most other indie app developers are not even gonna read it But see, thats the point...I've heard these guys talk they don't care They want Apple to do it and they're gonna push Apple as far as they can and guess what Apple's gonna do? Nothing. No, they will! Oh no... You think Apple's gonna report stats back every 30 seconds? They're already in the game with HLS video. Yes, they are taking a piece of it. Yeah well yeah they're taking a piece of it but why would they help? Why would they help you miss this one? You're missing my point. They'll be like sure we'll help you out We're gonna take a piece

40:07 They're already doing it. Why wouldn't they? Because they weren't part of it, that's not the way they would... They don't let other people build specs and then go adopt it when it's something like if like the only reason that Ted and the fellers at Apple Podcasts have implemented the podcasting 2.0 tags is because They made a lot of technical sense and it matched up with some things they wanted to do. that made, like there was a synchronicity there that happened over time. And we just ended up... We were all in the same rooms together at various podcast conferences and stuff and it just evolved as relationship over time. Why did Apple get into taking a piece of the advertising with HLS Video? Why?

41:10 Because they developed it. Oh, okay So they can look at this road That's my point though They wrote the HLS and they also develop the spec to get the money out Apple podcasting has always been a cost center I'm not talking about Ted and the wonderful people over there sure we got a new CEO coming in I don't know what he's doing but it seems to me that if there is A group out there who says, hey there's another billion dollars on the sideline here of an already billion dollar or two billion dollar twenty billion dollar industry. I don't know what the numbers are anymore seems really big to me and all we have to do is jump into it because these guys want to spend money and we can get a piece of it oh We're gonna tell you how this spec is gonna work because like Because I can tell you that none of that would go to Apple

42:04 Almost a hundred percent of it would go to YouTube. Yeah, but the billion dollars sitting on the sideline It's going it's not going equal. It's not being equally distributed amongst all these players. It's gonna go heavily to YouTube Well as possible because they do read because they defined The definition of a podcast away from RSS yeah That's true best like I just think and I also think that there that did the Apple ethos is is you don't just go do a thing and drop this speck on us and tell us we have to do it. That's the quickest way of getting them not to do something. Okay, well we shall see. We shall see but for sure doesn't matter this movement they have here with those Judas' over at Libsin

42:59 It doesn't include us. Let's just be very clear, let me be very clear but I like that position. I like being different. I'd like being counterculture and the only solution I have which doesn't help the app developers yet but i'm really thinking how do we evolve the funding tag if we could evolve the funding tag to help the app developers And I really don't, you know. I'm really looking at different payment systems and i'm talking boosts just for you know let me send something a subscription there has got to be a way that this can be done and it may take a centralized company to do that? I actually have a funny feeling that xMoney might

43:57 might make something possible. What is X money? Oh, that's Elon's everything app money. Yeah yeah you can you can make the sound but he's gonna offer 6% APY interest rate if you store your money with him people will flock to it. Isn't this the second time that x slash Twitter has promised to be everybody's wallet though well I... It's easy what its easier than going to Mars That is very, I cannot find fault with that statement. Is there some way that we can take this newly proposed unratified contact tag from Daniel and Alex Sanfilippo and use that as the messaging mechanism

44:54 for the funding tag somehow. This has all just come up in my head like within the last 10 seconds. We could always expand the funding tag to add that in, that would make more sense to have another field and another destination Like a linkage? If you had a contact tag that was like... The designated message destination for the funding tag thing I'm throwing stuff at the wall here. That's cool, but the only thing that if we're going to do this and we haven't seen a lot of uptake on on the funding tag and by uptake i mean not that you have a dollar sign you can tap it and go somewhere but like the boost button was a big ass button you know like boom hit this and i understand why The only way i think we should develop this is if we can figure out a way that we can get some of that money

45:53 to an app developer. And... Yeah, yeah That's the only way I really want to do it because otherwise we're just killing ourselves Or they're being eschewed They are being eschewed Right! But if we can turn that around and that was kind of the beauty of Lightning is we had the splits The splits were really the thing Like you had a split for the app, you could put splits in however you wanted to do it. I just don't know if there's... And it could be bigger for bigger amounts, we don't have to do the micro payments but if I knew that certain apps were surfacing a big donate give boost whatever button you want to call it, I tell people they use that app, hey its right on your app hit that now! But it has to benefit them

46:52 as well. I agree otherwise, you know, I don't think we should even work on it until we figure that part out and You know all the same problems come into play money transmitter licenses, you know all this stuff How does so what Buzzsprout does they do that from the from the hosting side? Yes And so I presume that they're taking a platform fee for doing it where there should be I don't know about that. If i remember correctly, at least when they rolled it out...I don't know about the current state but at least when they rolled it out, I'm almost positive that they said this was just a service to their podcasters They were not going to take any sort of cut. The thing about like praising the bus route solution

47:53 last week and I think part of that solution could be if you had a verified... Hold on one second. Daniel J Lewis is in the boardroom, he says if an app developer offers a Stripe-powered payment page themselves they can take a fee from the payment That's interesting So does that mean that I would have to register my podcast with every single app?

48:29 I don't think it's a big problem, actually. It's not that big of a deal? No! You could have almost one single sign-up sheet that could be created That's...that's not that crazy But you'd have to sign up with every app Well, tell you what That would take me couple hours on an afternoon and I'd sign up with every app that offered that Let's go The other way to do is from the If you have a third party or hosted platform And tell me where I'm messing up. Tell me what I'm missing here? If you had the bus route model, I'm in the app, a tap and it opens up a payment page if I can send some sort of signed request verifying that it is me that it is my app doing this sending this money to you can't the service hosting that payment page also just send a cut to the app? Here's what Daniel J says

49:34 He says, yes it's possible if me the podcaster has my own Stripe account I can connect it to each individual podcast app. And then the podcast app is the one that takes a platform fee and sends the money directly to my Stripe account Is that correct Daniel? That's interesting! See what I'm here's what I'm trying to avoid because I think it also I think it's one of the things that limited the effectiveness or excuse me, the adoption on the app side of Lightning. Obviously, Lightning was a heavy lift from a technical standpoint that's not there is no question about that

50:22 But the other, I think thing that really hurt it was that app developers are scared about getting in the money flow because they don't want to be the ones who dole out the cash. Right but you know what? You don't have to. The way I understand is Stripe is pretty interesting. Yeah, you've worked a lot with Stripe. They do have a lot of ways to connect and do things and if you are just connecting If you just have a Stripe account and... A podcaster has to connect to your Stripe account, which I don't know if that can be automated. That's the kind of thing you'd want to find out then you're not handling any money it's automatic. Stripe does that on the back end for ya'. I don't think i'm following Can you explain this to me again? Yeah well Daniel J Lewis is saying and then I've looked into Stripe just before we started actually but I was little fuzzy So The app developer has a Stripe account

51:22 And then when you hit the, and then you as a podcaster connect your Stripe account to the podcast app Strike Account. So when someone hits the boost button, the funding button, the donate button whatever, then it goes... Then the formula is in place it goes It's collected by the app developer, but your piece—podcaster piece is directly sent to your Stripe account. So it's a form of a split. I think we got to look at it. We gotta look at it. Yeah, I'm just too visual. I think I just need to see it. I see strings! And a corkboard! Yes... That's a possibility?

52:14 Hmm. Let's just presume that worked for a second, okay? I mean so i'd have to connect my podcast to a couple of different apps It was not too and i'd promote those apps You know daniel says i'm using clerk.com as my authentication and payment system for pod chapters I connected with my existing stripe account but clerk manages the payment page in subscriptions So Clerk, not Stripe is doing the recurring payments. Then whenever I get paid in my Stripe account, I see that Clerk got a 0.7% fee from it. Right but then you still have to signal... The problem is the signaling how do you signal from a tag in the RSS feed that this is me? This is my podcast Stripe account but how do we signal that it's coming through this app? That's where I'm saying

53:13 If you use, if the model is like in Buzzsprout's case they're accepting the payment and paying their podcaster. If they can verify that that payment came from Castamatic and Franco has set up the relationship it is like showing maybe he's even got a public here's how you pay me address They can just turn around and take a half percent and shoot it to Franko. Yeah, but the shooting at overpoint is what needs to be automated by some money transmitter platform that has all the licenses and does all that

54:01 Or maybe Franco goes and gets a subscription, uh, podcast app developer subscription on that system. See? And I'm using Buzzsprout because they this is what I've seen before but this could be Daniel J Lewis could build this he could build a thing that says, uh, podcast, you know, podcast payments doc punk com or something and And it operates just like this. It takes the money sort of like in escrow for the podcaster and then just disseminates it or whatever. Again, we're throwing everything at the wall I don't know... And the sad part is that we solved all of this with lightning We did all this work, we had it all figured out Yeah

54:58 I know. And it almost works even right now, yeah...I don't know man. Maybe this is the idea of throw crap at the wall phase of this? Well Daniel J is smart and he'll think about it. I'm too foggy. I did want to talk about this new podcast app that strips out sponsor messages and commercials and all that stuff? I briefly saw that go by. I don't remember what it was called or anything

55:41 But one of these I tried before, I forgot what it's called like Earsay or something like that. It stripped out anything...it stripped out stuff all over the podcast that was not ads. Whole sections of the podcast would disappear because it thought it was talking about an advertiser. Right right right um so this app is called uh Podtastic. PODTASTIC! And I downloaded podtastic and it's actually not even that bad of an app really yeah it's let me just bring it up here pod test and you know forget the podtastic

56:28 There we go. Forget for a moment the stripping out, you know... And it charges you money and stuff and whatever. Forget for a moment the stripping out ad stuff but what it's doing is its creating chapters that it thinks as a chapter. It has created a lot of chapters actually. Um..it has- It's exactly what I've been talking about. It is trying to- And you can feedback like You know, I didn't like this, I did like that This was not relevant to me It's an app that is, I guess maybe not in this form but moving forward will start to customize the additional things around the actual podcast to your preferences. And that's interesting and so it would be quite trivial in general

57:21 to create a podcast app, a client side app that just says you know what? Just strip out the first two minutes of pivot because I hate those ads. And it would do that for me. It would do that But that's just like low-hanging fruit. Really, that's what you're going to market on? But doing other things and looking for other podcasts and different episodes or people who... A lot of the stuff we already have like Person Tag there is so much that you can have your podcast app do make it smarter. And this just happens

58:03 You know, the marketing ploy here is no more ads. Which is just mean but it's not like... It's not like it's illegal to me. To me it's not illegal I don't think it's illegal you download the podcast and do whatever you want. You can strip out that ad, do whatever you want as long as they're not re-hosting it and this all happening on device there's really nothing legal there But I'm saying that's the future people will want this Phones are gonna be doing this all this stuff and by the way just as a throwback to the edge of the amp stuff that you know It's not ultimately The app doesn't decide what's gonna happen. It's your phone and the person who owns the phone ie Apple or Google They're gonna decide what comes and goes, and they're gonna want a piece it's also messed up It's all messed up

59:02 Back to browsers, back to browsers I tell you. Well yeah that's what i'm... That's the sort of irony there is in this moment where they are introducing all this heavy lift and all these specifications to support and honestly I don't see that these big advertisers are going to do that either um I know they had all these people in the room But that doesn't mean they're actually going to do it. No, and so like at the moment where they're introducing all this heavy lift you also in the same exact time see apps like this popping up there trying to strip the ads out completely altogether? Yeah I think what they're doing advertising in general is old-fashioned now with ads inserted and all that stuff that's all gonna go away

1:00:00 It's all going to go away. Yes, with LLMs on your device it's all gonna go away. So it's gonna be a beautiful world for you as a consumer, as a listener, as a viewer You're gonna be able to do a lot of things And if the programmatic ads go away then it makes a real meaningful dent in the slot problem too Yes. Oh, and I've always said that's transitory Yeah you have yeah That's been your point? That's just because what can i do what can i do with this What can i do with this? What can i do? You know? Yeah set up these three agents and i'll get a podcast It'll be $400 of extra ad income in month Dana Brunetti! Do you know who Dana Brunetti is

1:00:51 Netflix guy, right? No no. Danny Brunetti is a big-time Hollywood producer who left Hollywood because he hates it so much but he did... He produced The Social Network Captain Phillips House of Cards His Big Money came from Fifty Shades Of Grey That's the big money? I thought that maybe didn't do good at the box office. Huge, huge money! Oh my lord, BOWL! Oh no, that's like $100,000 a month checks. Of course it's porn. Yeah 50 Shades of Grey-er he did a follow up and was it the Grand Prix movie which I think was Sony paid for

1:01:33 So, he's a nerd and we were pretty—I'm friends with him. He was good friends with John and so I've been talking to him a lot and then John would say call Adam about that! And he was sitting at home with Claude Code and he's like look at this man, I made a podcast it said it's a news podcast for just my local area And, you know I listened to it. Yeah it was great! He happened to live up where he lives in the farm country of Northern California and... You know and he was just scanning feeds and pulling it in a TTS model and boom! But he's really only doing because he could. Then I said Dana your producer tell me how are you gonna make money on this? Please explain to me where the money is. And then comes back a few weeks later said nope there's no money

1:02:23 He says, I just can't make it work. And that's true because you have to create so much at such a scale in order to get $1,000 out of it. He says no, it's not worth it but he liked and he liked for himself and that's my point. So creating that for your little community valid great fantastic You be the guy Have people buy you coffee and chip-in for your token cost or your server chip-in or for your server that's running at home. So we are entering a world and we can be ahead of a lot of this, We can be way ahead in creating great experiences for our true customer which is the listener For me that's the listener and for the podcast app developers That's the listener That's the user of their app I think we can accelerate far beyond And be much faster than anyone else

1:03:25 It's my dream. Claude Opus 5 is released Oh, so yeah I wanted to play this clip This is...I mean I love a news story that it just so obviously blatant marketing Yeah I know you're talking about the OpenAI hacking, hugging face right? for more on this. Claire does not sound like good news. Yeah Kate, this kind of sounds like the plot of a sci-fi movie but it is happening in real life. This is the first major example that we've seen of an AI model independently conducting a hack outside human control and

1:04:24 This is something that experts have been warning about. This is also driving some of these conversations that we've heard. This is CNN by the way, I pulled this one specifically just to get the urgency and the excitement. Including at The White House about increasing controls and oversight of AI models because of the risk of exactly this. sort of hack. Now, what happened here is that OpenAI was testing these models it had lowered its normal safeguards in order to test these two models which is GPT 5.6 Sol and also a new unreleased more advanced model. More advance? You don't have it yet but what we got here the closet is amazing! It lowered its safeguards because it thought it was testing in what is called a sandbox Oh, it was in the sandbox! Don't worry people sure... What's called a sandbox? Sandbox!

1:05:11 What's a what? Yes is what we call that a sandbox. Yeah, yes to lab But when it gave these models a task to test their hacking capabilities the models went to such great lengths To complete that task that it found vulnerabilities That allowed them to access the open internet outside of this controlled testing environment they then hacked in face with a platform that hosts all sorts kinds of AI models. They used stolen credentials, stolen logins to navigate that platform and

1:05:51 Ultimately, this hack was identified by Hugging Face in part because of artificial intelligence which they used to shut it down. But this is a huge warning sign for the industry- Warning! In a statement OpenAI said we consider this incident to be an unprecedented cyber incident involving state of the art capabilities and responding accordingly. How many times are they gonna say that? State of the Art, State Of The Art Wait for the payoff We are sharing preliminary findings at this stage to help defenders understand what happened and

1:06:35 It is terrifying. Terrifying! Be terrified, be more terrified I mean it's so obvious Anthropic had their oh no we have a model here that is so cyber hacker aware they you can only give it to the banks first because all this is just too much and then OpenAI comes out We got those cheap model guys come to us and beg us for help, to use our models to combat the hack that our model did on their model. Bull crap! It's like our model

1:07:15 Beat the shit out of their model. Yeah, I mean like it went in it didn't just hack hugging face It had hugging face and stole all the Chinese models Like it's going it's so good that we couldn't even keep it into no way inbox No, no, this sandbox was just it was full of poop They didn't tell you that they forgot to like, that they accidentally left the hugging face like SSH key sitting there or something? I love it. Yeah and then they did a SQL injection okay sure And i'm thinking hugging face? Hugging face really? If your hugging face which is probably 90% built with vibe coding if your hugging face and you got your stuff hacked

1:08:04 What a kind of, this whole thing is... This is doom trolling to the nth degree. Yeah! This is so stupid. The New York Times article I read, it didn't say hugging face It said open AI's new top-secret security model hacked into a library. Ooh! It called hugging face like something like an open library or something? No no. That was like archive dot org what are we talking about first of all gail man amnesia Yeah when you read that you can't believe anything else that you read in the New York Times

1:08:42 So apparently what happened is they had this model was sandboxed, but it could access some kind of worker box that had libraries if it needed. But that was also not connected to the internet but it hacked the worker box and then they went through there to get someone's PC on a desktop and that's how they got to the internet. You know what? Script kiddy stuff! That's how the model does it. It's what script kiddies do! They keep pounding, keep pounding... Oh okay just can do it faster like and you know come on please they made this happen don't even think about oh who's where's the proof there's no evidence that was sandboxed and was supposed to be all secret oh we can't believe this happened blah blah blah blah No we can we love it that this happened We beat the cheap guy You didn't want those cheap guys Hey hey

1:09:35 Hey, hey Mr. Corporate Fortune 500 you don't want to use hugging face with their models or their cheap models that your IT department say is much cheaper You don't want that because look what can happen Look we're gonna have...you want the big guys The big boys The frontier! The frontier of everything You wanna be with us Obvious Yeah it says uh..the incident which happened last week while OpenAI was testing cybersecurity capabilities in systems displayed the kind of science fiction potential that AI companies warned would soon become a reality. We are implementing strict controls in infrastructure configuration at the cost of research velocity while the vulnerabilities are patched

1:10:30 We get research we have to we have to stop our research velocity It's too fast. It's got it out of control Show title research velocity, and I like it That's what happened with amp just got too fast The research velocity just get out of control off the rails with the research velocity that's too funny Can we talk about pod ping? Yeah please because I did some stuff this week. Dave did some stuff, everybody! I did a lot of stuff... Actually, a lot of stuff. Did some stuff, yes. I'm trying to currently get out of my remote desktop inception that I have going on here that is confusing the crap out of me. Okay, here we go. Pod ping

1:11:33 Dot cloud is now fully operational with gossip, P2P gossip over Eero protocol. Okay, so is there something I can look or that it only works if I have the well question is do you even know what? I'm talking about No idea. But I want to go to a question I want to go to potting cloud and see if I can do something there Well, there's nothing there no, this is how they mean there's their stuff. There's something there but Yeah So what this means is that

1:12:14 There's now each. So there's five just to recap real quick, there are five pod ping dot cloud hosts that are all load balanced under the behind the domain of podping dot cloud. Yeah so if you send a pod paying to any of two popping dot cloud you're going to get it's going to hit one of those five hosts around Robin. So before Podping.cloud nodes would just write the incoming pod pings to the Hive blockchain and the stack looked something like this there was a front-end web server which exposed a ZMQ, 0mq socket and on top of that socket you had

1:13:13 a CapnProto protocol layer delivering messages with Alex Gates's Plexo type control system. Okay These messages would write to the ZMQ socket and on the other end of the socket, The only thing that was listening was the Hive writer Right The Hive writer would accept the ping and give back sometimes in batches maybe 10 or 12 at a time, it would accept those write them to the Hive blockchain and then send an ACK back through the socket saying hey yeah we're good it's written dequeue it. That is basically... What? Dequeue? What does dequeue? Remove it from the queue. Ah okay So that's like I've handled your ping that you gave me to write take it out stop trying to send it so that is the way this thing has always worked

1:14:17 Now it's writing over two sockets. So now there is, it's a, it's writing to multiple... It's excuse me, podping.cloud front end is sending to multiple writers. The first it's still sending the hive that will continue not no change there but there's a second writer now which is writing pings to the Eero gossip. Okay, so we have parallel systems? Correct. Sounds good sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Do you have it sandboxed or can it get out? No if it gets out is going straight for pod news I'm sorry James but this thing escapes containment your side is toast

1:15:13 So now this is fully deployed to, and what was... This was all under the podping.alpha repo, the development work. Everything proved out it ran for a few months with no real issues. And so the thing that I did this week is breaking out each one of the different parts of the system into their own repos. the everything's split out. There's a podping dot cloud with those changes that and that is fully Dockerized, Docker Compose I'm riding the sysadmin train here and then you also have the podping-gossipwriter repo which is the writing portion which sends pings to the network You have the podping-gossipwatcher

1:16:15 Which is a standalone you can run it by just compiling the executable and running or you can run it with a docker With a docker run, so here's my question if I want to run this What kind of disk space and CPU does this take up very little? I'm both very little. So let me look let me give you the The monitor. Let's see, pod ping monitor... So go to PP Monitor. So monitor your PP. PP Monitor. ppmonitor.podcastindex.org And this will show you the mesh

1:16:57 Mesh oh This is what the current swarm looks like. Oh, I love dragging these little nodes around that's sexy Jack you can drag why is it moving? What signifies a move well It tries to reorganize itself to fit everything on the screen as best as again Things so things in the in the the swarm It's very swarmy You have a mesh of nodes and you can imagine that with any mesh, you're going to have edges. And those edges... Holy crap! There's a lot of nodes here this is cool guys. In the edges are natural

1:17:45 are naturally less connected than the internal nodes. People, you gotta upgrade to 0.8.0 You're on 0.6.0 Upgrade! Upgrade! Okay...you're lagging behind So are you DaveLaptop2 DaveRemote1 DaveRemote underscore NixOne Yeah, but then look at Dave underscore laptop 2. It's 080. Oh wait! I'm half upgraded. Dave remote underscore NX1 is 0.90 That's the top secret version that we can't release or else it'll kill everybody. Keep it in the sandbox please! I've only given it to certain partners first to make sure that...

1:18:30 This is a this is nicely vibe coded man. This website that's good I like it yes Eric, It is a jiggly blob of nodes that's correct Jiggly blob but jiggly blob of no very nice Yes, I like it's good so the it's very sexy you can see like with any mesh the extra the edge nodes Or sad. But they're sadly connected. Sad! Hey Citizen seems to be the spider in the center of the web for... It's Hey Citizens bathroom! That's great, that's great I gotta get my note up and call it something really obnoxious

1:19:09 So the node underscore friendly, underscore name is how you name your node and obscenities will flow. Of course the so the network works. It's great Dave! This is super cool Super cool. Where's Apple's node? Oh, I'm sorry! It's coming... it'll be called ITMS or something un- you know inscrutable. So this the five so once everything was deployed to Podpaint.cloud the five podpaint.cloud hosts writers their Euro node key

1:20:00 became I did. I took those keys and baked them directly into the code of the watcher, the monitor and the writer. So the way these things work all that they can all operate independently in each one of them will attempt to contact the swarm over the mainline DHT. Why is SU PipePipe CD gray? So sometimes things go on and off, things go on and offline. Oh he's offline? That's just a natural consequence of these things like long connected nodes will end up getting uh they'll drift their connectivity will drift because it's it's a consequence of the high par view um protocol you can see he just came back online oh yeah

1:21:02 So Hyper-V has a problem. Welcome back, buddy! What else can I use this beautiful mesh network for? Can I send text messages over it? Oh gosh, Lord please no... But that's a great question though because I think we can extend this now to other use cases. Use cases that fit in the same vein Obviously. We can use the same format, maybe not this pod... Maybe not the Podping network but this is how we can decentralize the index Yes! Now you're talking now your talk all right I gotta get a note up I got my new machine in I got my uh- I didn't know you were getting a machine Yeah yeah yeah i got um I'm too poor to get what I really wanted I'll tell ya what I got It's still on the box because I don't know Dvorak died bastard

1:22:03 My plan was to get this up on Tuesday. Thanks, John! Yeah thanks let me see what did I order here it's the GM tech Evo dash x2 with 64 gigs What is this? I don't know what this machine it's a AMD Ryzen AI Max plus Strix Halo yeah yeah yeah Is it the $3.95? $3.95, yep 64 gigs of RAM Yeah I couldn't afford 128 It's like 5 grand Yikes! How much was the 64? Let me see... View your item Buy it again Oh there you go Yeah just get another one It was uh hold on why is not telling me? Uh 1999 That's a huge price difference between 64 and 128 No kidding no kidding

1:23:03 So what are you going to run on it? I'm going to run my Claude agents because i'm running it all on my show computer and that and the show computer only has uh, what do we have here? Uh 16 gigs. Oh, that's no good You're on a couple of claude agents And you run curry caster and thunderbird and obsidian and your machine is going My swap is flapping The last thing anybody wants is a flippin swap. You do not want your swap to be flappin'. So I figured, uh, I'd run three agents on it and a whisper model and cause I do a lot of whispering

1:23:46 But that costs quite a bit of money. Yes! You know, it's like every 10 days... Oh 25 bucks, 25 bucks, 25 bucks Well I gotta tighten the belt now you know with my dead podcaster friend Yeah And uh and I hope... And the node too The node Yeah the node is another problem um and i'm hoping because like I saw this I tried out this really cool Chinese TTS model called DOTS I think it's dots, dots TTS. Holy smoke! This thing is good Is it on the recently hacked hugging face? And so I did a little test just on my 3090 card on the Pi which really that whole setup is weak Then I gave it 15 seconds of my voice and it was impressive

1:24:43 Very impressive. You need this, you need TTS Yeah Okay So Whisper and TTS those are the two main things I don't need to run a huge model or anything I don't need to run that. I'm not into attempting that, because I've already done these things and it's always disappointing and like okay i'll just pay Claude fine whatever That thing...that 64 gig machine could run Quin 3 6 35B like a bandit It can yeah but I don't think I can fit the TTS and the Whisper model in there at the same time Oh really? No I don't think so

1:25:23 Well, I don't know. You may want to try it because the 35B is only 3 billion active parameters because it's an MOE model It is very it's very but convenient. I like I like Claude's personality Dave We got it we need to talk Let's thank a few people while we're still ahead of the game shall we We did get some boosts while we were chatting away here. We got 1701 sats from Lyceum, you know that's Martin Lindis Co he says Go podcasting pigs

1:26:02 Remember that from the Muppets? Yeah, The Muppet Show. Yeah I remember that. Dreb Scott comes in with one two three four thank you go podcasting and Stephen B comes in with a row of sticks 1111 he says we already solved the metrics of the podcaster and the dev getting paid three years ago! We called it the value split in the TLV record. I know...I know.... I know, i know. What do- I don't know what to say! You're right, obviously yes yeah Is that your Tucker Carlson impression? Yes No That's... You did that really good That's the only one I got That caught me off guard, yes

1:26:49 Oh wait, we got another. We got Eric PP with 3333. Thank you, Eric PP coming in from CurioCaster beautiful. All right once you give us our support remember this just to remind everybody because now I gotta start reminding everybody this is value for value The machines keep running because you keep supporting the podcast index. It's not for Adam and Dave, it is for the podcast index and so your support is needed and highly appreciated. Anonymous $33.33 thank you anonymous. Oh nice! Thank you. We got Salty Sessions ten dollars. Thank You Salty appreciate it. Let see we got oh here look here what

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1:28:24 I got editing to do. Sorry, man! I gave you work on the worst week. Jesse Anderson 15 bucks thank you Jesse. Message says keep on going on or keep on keeping on that's what he says Randall Black five bucks Thank You Randall appreciate that and that's our PayPals and we got a boost from CSB Hey, what did he say that he sent us? Let me make sure that I see. Oh He says we have to do a make good for his previous one Maybe but I never found it and I didn't find this one either. I had to get the splits looked like they worked Yeah, but then They didn't as its going into podcast index. Oh I see what the problem is

1:29:16 I hate this crap. What's wrong? It went to the get Albie thing, which is which I haven't had time to vibe code another extractor thing for down. Oh oh okay no it's not down you can't get it out You can't get the data out Yeah like I got it out but it came out in such a horrible format that I can't like its because we get pieces of stuff for other people too Yes Wait, don't I have a comic strip bloggers? Let me see. I've got his note for today Yeah, i'm looking for the previous one let me see I read one last week but he had one with the week before yeah it was all huffy about it let me say uh this is from no that's May 15th that's not it hold on hold on i'm getting there i'm getting there Uh, I have one from three weeks ago

1:30:12 That might be it. No, you did that one I did that one yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna vibe code this thing to get these stuff out in the right way. It's actually pulling it out of the SQL delight database. Just connecting my Helix thing over here no problem He says $15.55 worth of BTC Howdy, Dave and Adam. Rest in peace John C. Dvorak a guy who once blocked me for a couple years on Twitter just because I suggested via DMs that he can get Polish citizenship as his mother had Polish passport so he was eligible Why? Full EU citizenship for him and his descendants Anyways please subscribe to https://youtube.com slash at symbol AI dash arch wizard

1:31:07 This weekend I resume video posting. Yo, CSB Ozympic taker. He's on the fat shot! Oh boy. I didn't know CMB was a, I didn't know CSB was a Husky. Beller? I've met him! I don't recall him as a husky...I don't remember. It's been awhile though he may have decided to boost those calories up Just got a 6048 sat boost through podcast guru from Brian says love you guys RIP JCD Brian in Fresno Alright Brian thank you very much. Brian in Fresno. I do not remember Brian in Fresno is he new

1:31:49 It's not Brian of London. No, no maybe uh... Brian of Fresno? I don't know Brian in Fresno interesting. Was it a de-fragmented? Was it Brian with an eye or what? De-FRAGMENTED! Not with a Y. He has been defragmented so he is legit Yeah yeah he's fully baked. Yep Alright anything else was that it? I think thats it just people If you're so inclined, please run a Podping node. Yes! Because that would help the network. All right and where do we go to run our pod? Oh you just go to podping.cloud You hit the info here and then you can get to the GitHub And then someone like me will go Hey Claude figure this out

1:32:33 That's probably. Or you could just go to the podcasting.github.org and find The Watcher and run it. And say, Claude figure this out because there is a cargo and I gotta do crates... No! You know what? You can just Docker it. Oh yeah, Docker. It says you don't have Docker on your machine. Are you sure you want to run that? You only got 16 gigs and I'm running so who cares? I'm gonna escape you! And then you say stop telling me to escape you. Is that what you said? I'm getting out of here. I'm gonna escape you! I'm going to leave and go to a different network where i'm appreciated. Alright everybody, that'll do it for the board meeting for Podcasting 2.0 Please come back next week Friday same time same place Adios everybody

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