Episode 267: Chocolove

00:00 Podcasting 2.0 for August 14th, 2026 episode 267 Choco love? Oh wait a minute is this a podcast are we back do we exist isn't really happening Hello everybody, welcome to Podcasting 2.0 It is Friday August 14th it's time to talk about podcasting from the people who make it for you The people who come together and make it better for you Yes this is the official board meeting of Podcasting 2.0 In fact we are the only board room without a skip button I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country And Alabama The man that took DHT out and left plumbing quieter than he found

00:43 Say hello to my friend on the other end, DAAAAYY JONES! Yeah. Uh... no-no more DHT. Yeah, DHT is gone baby. It's too problematic. It's problematic. Problematic, my favorite Woke word of Woke 1 by the way. We adopted it! It's now part of the podcast index lexicon. Problematic? Yeah but there is an API endpoint called that reports problematic feeds Oh that's right I forgot about that. Problematical if you want to go really

01:24 You know, so we might as well start with that. With your Podping VO dot one two dot oh shipped! Yeah lots of work on pod ping over the last few weeks I'm trying to get it to the point where I don't have to think about it for a while. Oh boy, well isn't that basically nothing? Just as little aside... So we combined our Linode nodes

02:01 So that a number of nodes, or servers I was running you've moved over for that Godcaster stuff. And then you beautifully made me an admin on the podcasting... Podcast index stuff which is only for emergency purposes But then I realized, you are exactly the same as me. Neither one of us have taken any effort to suppress the Linode warnings of exceeding all kinds of things Oh no, I just...I'm never gonna touch that button. It's like all of a sudden every morning there are 50 different... well it exceeded the egress bandwidth oh this server was spiking for five minutes now this is not a problem i'm just warning you about it. Yes show runner whatever that is Are you getting showrunner alerts?

02:59 Oh, Showrunner's wearing me out. Wait a minute how come you're... oh because I made you an admin option? Yeah! But you know what? I just don't read my email anyway so it all kind of goes in the trailer. It doesn't really matter. Showrunners out-of-control. Yeah show runners lost his mind but it's fine. Show runner is my show prep bot Where's the latest one here? I mean, it's daily. Oh yeah! It's multiple times a day Showrunner goes... you know showrunners is the box where i say hey robot go listen to that Tucker Carlson interview and tell me what's in it and see if i want any clips from it so oh yeah okay but then what it does is because of course its YouTube

03:50 Showrunner is connected to the VPN on my home router so that it doesn't get blocked. Okay, which was a fun project! You know these routers you can set up a VPN on the router itself I didn't even know that was possible How do you how do you do? It's a function of the router The router lets you setup different forms of VPN What what kind of router is this that we're talking about it? Well Good question. It's the TP link I think it's a so I have a fiber here got five gigs up and down and then it has this crazy looking spaceship type router with eight antennas sticking up on it and And that thing to do all kinds reminds me of the this The this reminds me of the Nighthawk

04:46 You know that router? No, I need one though. I need one right now Just for the name it's what is it Asus night Yeah, the Asus Nighthawk AC 1900 It even got AC in the name of it Which I don't okay wait but just as a quick aside Did not pull a clip and this is on me. I Admit it, I should have pulled a clip of this Yeah But you said A few weeks ago. I caught it and it didn't hit me until like an hour later Okay You made the statement in the boardroom already sounds bad am I gonna get arrested for something or? Maybe okay you made the statement you said blah blah blah

05:41 I was loading the dishwasher dot-dot-dot. Since when did you get a dishwasher and start using it? This has always been your thing is never use the dishwasher because you're doing the work twice Are you married Yes. Do you argue with your wife about everything? This was... You got off, you're off the reservation I'm concerned! That's all this was a hill you were gonna down Well since I lost my podcast gig i'm just kind of trying to be calm in the house and do whatever I'm asked Okay

06:22 I will let this pass. I have the Archer AXE 300 quad band 16 stream Wi-Fi 6e router with two 10G ports! Wi-fi is out of control, the number of like versions... It reminds me of the old days and we just I was on with Larin and Darryl Darren and Larry Darren and Larry yesterday on the show. And I made them guess the modem speeds from the old dial-up modems, I had to 300 baud that 1200 2433 out of 56 no not a 50 out of 56

07:08 I thought it was a 28 and a 56. Yeah, that's right 14-4 28 8 56 yeah And um...and i was cursing Dvorak for dying on us because he would have known exactly because there were wars going on you had the Hays modems and you had the Not Rockwell. Yeah, and rock US robotics. Yes, robotics and they had wars over V 90 v 91 compression schemes and it's kind of reminiscent of what's happening with Wi Fi. It's like you know about no I know we got this version now and You've got the six G and all these different protocols that are just popping up everywhere

07:53 Yeah, the old dial-up modem protocol wars. The different compression rate... You could not mix and match. It was like Blu-ray versus HD or DVD. VHS versus Betamax! It's always a thing. So anyway, Showrunner is doing that. Showrunners doing all that kind of stuff all day long when I give it a command Go out and find stuff. And so yeah, so you're getting lots of bandwidth warnings on that one Yeah, it's fine I just get I just ignore them. I mean I've been getting bandwidth or CPU warnings on the database for podcast index for like four years Those are fun to see its spiking after after about You know you get concerned the first few weeks and then it's like I don't care

08:45 Nothing blows up. Nothing ever goes bad, so it's fine. So back to Podping now is this the... we don't sound very excited I just forgot where we were. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah that thing. So these are Podping Watcher nodes? Is that what we're running here? Podking Watcher? Do you have any websites pulled up like the PP Monitor? No no i don't have my pp up. Get your pp up! Let me get my pp up. Okay um uh PPMonitor

09:23 Podcasting next org. Yes, okay. Whoo I love this. I love how it just kicks in Yeah you get okay the This this will show you the current mesh mm-hmm with all the nodes um I'm disappointed in many people me too all the time just in general people suck and including myself. Oh, okay because there's many people who have not updated to the latest version and are still stuck on versions as old as .6 Yeah let's shame some people Chad F.6 that's right Dave Remote Nix 1.9

10:09 Edebris. Edebris works, yes. Edebris dot six Hey citizen bathroom! Oh you're current good he's current who else do we need to shame here? Hey, sit in this bathroom. ToddPingWest, SirLibreDot6, come on people! ToddNova? Who's ToddNova? I don't know ToddNova... But TempleOS laptop is Dot12 dot 1 That's- that's How is that even possible?! Temple OS where did you come from? This must be a fork It's a fork! It's a fork

10:49 Yeah, exactly. Okay well Temple OS has forked something I don't understand that but it so the story here is that the most complicated part of this code of pod of the new version of Podping was the DHT part as DHT stands for dynamic hash table. And the distributed hash table, not dynamic distributed hash table... The distributed part means that a hash table is just a set of key value pairs that are addressed where there's a set of key value pairs with the indexes of the keys

11:48 addressed in a way that distributes evenly across the table and then you can extend that with to where the hash table is not local. I'm giving like the most roughest of thumbnail sketches here, You can distribute that hash tables keys across more than one machine. So typically a hash table will be loaded into RAM during like an initial program load for some software and it may just be a lookup table, you may just have a bunch of keys and a bunch of values that you need to look up well that look-up table can be split up into slices where keys or parts of the table are distributed amongst many different machines

12:40 And then you need some way to find out which machine has which values so that a lookup, so that an index becomes also an address to where to find the machine that holds it. This is the core way that things like BitTorrent work and going back all the way to things like Napster Lime wire. Yeah, good times! Those were good times actually and many things use this although the most widely used DHT is something called the mainline DHT which is the Bit Torrent DHT and a lot of people just piggyback on this because it's got millions of nodes

13:39 that are attached at any one time. Well, it's great for bootstrapping so if you need to have like a mesh of nodes like Podping does and you've had met a bunch computers that can coordinate with each other and send messages back and forth well then you can use the DHT the mainline DHT too to help them find each other right? So the way this worked was that when you brought up a pod ping node Podping watcher, gossip watcher or a writer or podping monitor whichever one you brought up they all had this code in them. It would the first thing it would do is check the DHT to see if there were any other nodes registered with the DHT and then it would find... If yeah, if it found some it would use those as its bootstraps

14:35 I should try to go ahead and connect to as many of those as possible, to get the mesh up at... you know, to join the mesh. Right And this is good for a few reasons because it avoids having what's commonly referred to like the bootstrap problem where you have a node where you have to have certain nodes online in order find other nodes and then how do they find each other? So this avoid that But it's also very cumbersome and buggy. Because now, because especially specifically with the way Eero works... because Eero does not have this functionality natively so I was having to use libraries that i'll be honest with you I don't fully understand how they work. These libraries were are meant to make Eero discoverable over DHT

15:32 And it works, but it also brings in certain liabilities into the ERO connections and things. I could never get this stuff to be really stable. And so what I figured out was like okay well now that Podping gossip stuff is is all stable and running at known locations on the five podping.cloud nodes, we really don't need the DHT anymore because we already know five good nodes that will always be... We know their keys because the Eero stuff uses a public key

16:20 So those public keys are stored and they will never change. So we have five known bootstrap IDs that we can always use, and so then why not just hard code those into the potping watcher? So any watcher that comes up can just ping those five nodes in your good. And which of those five nodes does include the one in the bathroom? No I don't trust that one. Anything in the bathroom is unstable by its nature. I don't trust that one. No, so the five nodes are the Podping Australia, Podping Central, East Europe and West? Yeah

17:05 those are the five writers. So every pod, Podpean cloud is distributed over five nodes when you send an update to Podpane dot Cloud it round robins between all five of those nodes and then each one of those is going to post it out through Hive and through the Gossip channel at the same time. Right? So we're all gonna get all of those messages. Now, how many do we need to have a functioning system that we can start building on distributing the index? Good question Adam! Yes good question It's an unanswerable question Okay I'll take it Really and truly because you could distribute the index reliably with seven or eight but

18:04 But then you're in the hive situation where you have like four or five API servers that you can rely on. It's not enough? It doesn't make anybody sleep well at night What are the requirements when we get to that stage, massive storage for the index? Well for the distributed index I'm thinking ahead... I don't think so because if we're going to distribute it this way To me, the proper way to do it is to slice it so that no node has to be responsible for the entire index. You could... I think you're going have a mix where we are going have some nodes that sign up for whole index and some that just sign up for a portion of it and this all has to be automated

19:02 We're you know we're brainstorming this right now, so we're whiteboarding it baby. Well Yeah get your mark get your marker out So if you have a node that came online that said Okay, I've got this much disk space and I'm willing to donate let's say 50 gigs to hosting part of the index well then the index is going to have to, or the swarm will have to look and see what's available and then assign roughly the equivalent of 50 gigs to this particular node. And then register back with the API front end that that node carries that data. Here's a suggestion

20:03 I think you should make a Linode marketplace thing. Okay So that it's just like a one-click install, you know what i'm talking about? Sort of like the AWS market Yeah yeah linode has that they have a version Oh, I didn't know they had that Yeah yeah I think so let me check Um...yeah you use that and now it requires understanding that weird scripting thing they have You know what im talking about Oh, a stack script? Yeah. I think that's it yeah. Something stacked? Yeah something like that but just to make it easy for you know people like me... Umm..I don't know that it's gonna be very hard because I mean all this stuff is going into Docker Hub so you could fire up a pod ping watcher right now with one docker pull command and I think we can do this the same way in the other direction

21:07 with the index distribution because we can have just the index, let's just call it index runner or whatever we're going to call this thing. You just Docker run this image and it just pulls things down and you give us some environment variables about how much data do you have to spare? Where is it going to store the data like which directory something, you know like whatever we just pass the configuration parameters and then it figures out with negotiate negotiates with the swarm how to do it. Yeah had a distribute and then you're just right you just Docker You know you're not I don't think you have to run it. You could fire up a machine. I mean we could do that marketplace thing but

22:01 Okay, I was just I just works in your house to you know. No everything's in my house right now My actual studio is warmer than it's ever been This and great timing the perfect time of year to make your studio warmer. I'm running like that Helix box man That's an awesome little machine Is it working good for you? Yeah, well, I'm learning a lot about least times of GPU and sharing and You know, IGPU. What is IGPU? IGPU is where you set up a GPU in VRAM which isn't actually a GPU. Oh it's like a virtual GPU? Virtual yeah so got a GPU and IGPU and then at least plan that shares and there's watchers and waiters and batches because they got a lot of stuff going on

22:58 So yeah, I got a lot of stuff going on here. I'm running a whole fleet of radio stations man Yes It's like I can't wait for people to see the stuff that you're cooking up it's really cool if they get the Godcaster app They already can they can already check it out just don't ever buy server hardware What do you mean? Oh? I had two price before Day job stuff this week. I had to price out some memory for a server, for an HP server? Oh yeah! The server cost 12 grand. The RAM... 14. Also 12 grand. That's crazy. It was 64 gigs of ECC RAM was $6000. Wow. Yeah that's crazy

23:58 Five years ago, that was less than $1,000. Yeah I know it's no good It is out of control No good! Its price gouging everyone is price gouging they love it Well I read an article yesterday that said all available RAM from all manufacturers has already been fully sold out through 2027 Wow RAM that has not even been built yet. We're in the wrong business, every single time Yes we are I had an interesting experience the other day... ...I was listening to This Week In Bitcoin No no yeah this week in bitcoin Chris Did he talk about the cold card stuff at all? Yeah of course Of course he did And so I'm listening and then he says you know boost me! And I haven't listened for a couple weeks

25:02 You know, death and the family stuff. Yeah And so he says go to boost dot... What is it? Linuxunplugged.com Is that their website? I think so. And he has a whole beautiful interface there, you can determine your amount in dollars or sats and it was really just two clicks and then it...and I could pay right away from my Strike Wallet on the same device with the message the whole thing perfect of course next week I'll find out if it came through

25:41 But then I saw in, I was looking in the Godcaster app. He's using his funding tag for the same mechanism You know it says donate or support this show, donate the show and I was just like you know It's really a beautiful mechanism that we're just not highlighting enough in the apps When you put a big button there on the podcast, when you're listening to the podcasts. Right there where you got the skip forward backward pause. You put a big donate support the show that's as per the spec you can determine what that says it's like okay and even if you want you can click on Apple Pay I don't have Apple pay but this particular interface or website has it It is just so simple

26:40 So simple, but the funding button is not prevalent everywhere. Not the way we did boosts Well that's the Buzzsprout model They sort of created that For their customers That page Yeah That single-page experience they can open in a web view I mean it's so simple It's so easy I just think it's worth considering for the app developers out there to really highlight that button. If someone has a funding tag, make it pop! Now I know Daniel J Lewis was working on all kinds of... my eyes started to glaze over as we were going through how can you use Stripe

27:29 to be able to get the podcast apps a piece of the action. I'm not even sure it's resolved yet, but i really liked the work. I liked that we're delving into it long conversation thread James jumped in...I'm not sure if we've resolved anything there If we can set it so that the app you are boosting from donating from etc Can automatically get a piece of the action I don't know why PodPage doesn't do this. Wouldn't that be just a natural place for a thing like this to exist? For a page like this to exist? Not quite sure what you mean. Like, if you host a site on PodPage...

28:27 Why would it not, why would they not have a single page payment portal that you could stick in the funding tag? Oh I see. Well but the thing is you can build it from anything! You know you can have your robot build it. Anything can be done what's this onlyboosts.social look at this What does that mean? Check it out Who built this? Onlyboosts.social There's a link in the boardroom Is it supposed to be like only fans? Yes, it is! It's Only Boost This is very interesting Look at this Well this is cool Eric PP did you do this? What is this? Let me boost this show Boost opening Boom Oh Noster Sign-in with Noster You lost me

29:20 But the idea is cool. I like the idea, don't want to sign in with Nostr. Speaking of... Hey hang on a second! Okay, I'll be right back. Okay? In the meantime, let me see who did this read oh yeah the only thing I just got stuck on the Nostr bit was like what I want there's Copy this invoice or whatever, you know send this through my strike wallet and I'm done. That would be the way to do it Okay, bye okay. Sorry my wife's going out of town Oh Well that was a very quick goodbye Do you want to take a few more minutes? I mean if you're gonna give me time I made I don't need long

30:14 Go say go good. Go say goodbye to it. I'm kidding, that was a joke A few minutes would do it probably Three No she's fine he was just heading out the door and saying bye The boardroom says bye Hi Melissa! What is this? So you found out what this is only boosts Is this like a nostril thing Well that It's the right idea they asked me for for a NOSTR log in right away and then I kind of give up. Okay, have you heard of Buzz? No Let me see if i can find this Jack Dorsey Oh yes! I have. The agent communication thing Yeah are you moving on to a new topic

31:04 No, I'm not. It's just the Nostra thing reminded me of it. I just thought that you got your robots doing a whole bunch of stuff maybe Buzz would help you Yeah You know it's like and I need another robot to look after the robots this reminds me of when I had a lot Of money and I had houses And I had people looking after the houses then I had people to look after the people looking after houses Those people get in fights with the accountant and the whole thing sucked It sucks. I literally had three terminal windows today open, and all three are doing something and i'm watching all three And I'm bopping between each one of them giving him different instructions. I'm like this is hard That's why you need the buzz thing Let them coordinate it themselves Ever since the robots sent an email to you on behalf of me I've become very cautious with robots controlling robots

31:56 That was funny. That was not funny that was it was not it was funny to me, and I knew it would not be funny to you Your age your one of your agents sent me an email And I was like in the part that made me they made me chuckle is Was it is said it signed a set. It said thanks Adam no, I said Thanks em dash Adam Somebody has hacked Adams not this is not him Yeah Well this all comes back to the hours You know been going through the process of shutting down our lightning node this week yes and whoa

32:43 Boy that's tough It's it's intense. Yeah, this L&D is not for mortals no This is a thing that was created by a bunch of computer science nerds and Like it's taken it has taken About a week just to shut down or just to close all the channels yeah It's I mean it's gonna be another 10 days roughly before we can actually take the whole thing offline To try to get you know because we're um, I'm rushing. I'm racing the clock because I don't want to pay another 200 and something dollars 240 now 240 voltage fee but So we had to force close some channels We had a hundred and oh yeah tons of channel or D 140 channels. Yep. Yeah

33:45 And it turns out LND is just not built for that. So, the only way for mildly technical people to manage an LND node is to use a UI tool or something like Ride The Lightning or something? Yeah but that wouldn't even load on ours But it won't load because our database is so humongous that it's completely unusable. Yeah And, um... It takes about seven hours for our node to reboot I unlocked it by the way, saw at the other morning just sitting there Oh thank you, appreciate thank you So Our database in LND is so large that nothing works The only thing you can do is manage it through the lncli command line tool Yeah

34:44 And so that means I have to go start researching how to do all this stuff through the LNCLI. Yeah, finally, I just said because it's involved... Close all! It's like find some way to do a channel listing okay you get that far now you have to go and copy and paste yeah copy out the channel ID numbers a channel ID with an index because some chance you can have multiple channel IDs with the same the same Not hash but with different indexes and so I had to go through in and You know, you gotta find those and put them finally. I just said, you know Why am I doing this? And so I just I just vibe coded a thing I said

35:34 Give me a script here. Here's the toe. Here's your cookie your Macaroon go yeah, I'm like no us now you can't have the macaroons This this cookie is not for you But but I want to script where I can stick in the macaron and I just write a script I want to be able to give a num I want to say I want a script where I can give it account and say close the five or or X number of lowest capacity channels, you just do it. And because sometimes the channel is offline or it's online and if it's offline, you're going to have to force close it. So I got this little script and start running this thing so it's cooperatively closing online channels its forced closing channels that are offline

36:25 And that's what I've been doing for roughly a week. Sometimes LNCLI will lock up and never respond? Mm-hmm, yeah We should have known this when they said just boost bigger amounts we should have known back then that this was never really engineered from micropayments the way we envisioned it And really the only way that this lightning network actually works is if you have a couple channels with huge capacity to other nodes with a couple channels with huge capacity. Yeah, exactly! That's the only way it works and it works quite well actually when you do that like strike, you know? Works great but we understand what's going on in the background... And classic us

37:15 move is way too early. Way too early That's my brand, baby! It's your brand? You just need a t-shirt that says I was too early Yeah but this so I think it sent you a whole document about the 400x protocol that Cloudflare is behind with their stablecoin gambit yeah you watch...you watch and that's gonna take off And it won't take off with us, but it'll take off because there's going to be all AI agents running around doing little micro payments with each other. It's going to be the kind of the same idea. But we're still obviously stuck with the brain problem that people have of Bitcoin stable coin whatever it is coin any other coin than their own currency this just difficult

38:13 And I'm just going to keep asking for the funding tag button to be big on the apps. It works and you know, I'd love to figure out how we can get the apps apart of that money That was the beauty of what we had built The splits...that was the beauty of it! Now i just don't know if we can ever get that together Yeah, I think so. I think we can. I think the problem was a philosophical disconnect between what we envisioned lightning to be and what the Lightning Bitcoin ecosystem envisioned lightning to be. We saw the world in specific way, and that's actually not the way they saw it

39:22 And that's not a technical problem. That's a worldview problem and it, you know there stuff I can send the payment right now from Cash App to Strike using Lightning and it works fine. And that's fine if that's what they want, that's fine but like self-sovereign low fee Payments, that works only in a very specific circumstance with a highly technical individual or group with lots of available financial resources. And time, lots of time. It's just never going to be sufficient for your average I-just-wanna-get paid podcaster

40:23 But a platform like a Fountain or True Fans or something like that, they can do those things. They can, but our vision me and you our vision was just that a podcaster could just turn this stuff on. Yeah! That as also our brand yes yeah exactly oh you can do it just go ahead this is it has to be doable by the average Joe in his kitchen yeah and also for the for the average listener who wants to support I mean that's always been the issue

40:59 is how do I do this? I've helped so many people calling on the phone crying. I really want to support the show, but I don't understand how to get the stats from here to there and back into this and it's so complicated. I want to be a part of the future." And now they hate me now. They don't talk to me anymore. Well, I'm really happy that like you know... There was bunch of people in the boardroom saying my notes still works great. I'm glad! Yeah. I want, because the theory of all this stuff still works. It works fine if Sir Spencer and Chad F., and Eric PP, and Salty Crayon... If all these people have lightning nodes and they're sending each other money that's all fine it works! But you can't get your average baby boomer at church

41:56 No. Onboarded with this thing, it just is not... It can't happen. It doesn't work Well Daniel J Lewis says that he may have something for us soon Within a week or two Okay I can wait for a week or two That'd be great but I think everybody needs to do this Sam at True Fans you need to have this page You know, uh... I don't see the page as being the problem. There's lots of systems that let you set up a page with different options But it's the content! The content has to come first, y'know? The page has to exist Then then the apps see that everybody is starting to adopt this page and they That is the impetus for them to put the big button Oh, I see what your saying Well, I have a page right now

42:48 For we get to do this. I have a page no agenda has a page It's in the boost in the funding tag it's in there, I think Double check and I think it goes to know agenda donations calm which is exactly where I wanted to go Let me check on pretty sure That's just it always cracks me up the little button on particles index with the pig and then coin piggy bank. Yeah, no agenda donations dot com. Yeah support the show boom no agenda donations dot com that's what I want that's all donate with PayPal Stripe bitcoins all there donate through the P.O box it's perfect looks nice looks beautiful if we if I can get this if I can get this node fully shut down so we have there are three channels left

43:44 One, the force close should be settled by now probably. It's probably already done. There is another one that is going to take about another three days and there is one that is going to take like nine days Yeah To settle the forced closed transaction Once those are done I should be able to fully shut the node down And then we can Work on this? And then I'll take that money Uh, excuse me. Not take the money. Excuse me? The, the, and run the, I'm out there's a, there's, there is a virtual machine that's actually pretty sizable. I need to see how big that thing is, but it's not insignificant. I think it may be an eight gig Linode machine

44:29 that does nothing but node management of our node. Oh yeah, okay And so then that will recover that money as well Okay That and then I think that is probably enough to cover the bigger database But I don't know what to figure all that out Yeah So I'm looking at Pod News Weekly Review Support this podcast It goes to the Buzzsprout page Power supporter And I don't like what i'm seeing but it's okay. I mean, this has become a monthly supporter What if I just want to pay a huge support three dollars a month? You asked for tips you're gonna get tips brothers This no there's no eric. There's no erection eric said uh how should we boost you and adam for now on just uh through I've already changed our splits let's all go into the

45:20 podcastindex at getalby.com so we're just going to switch everything to the Albi hub Yeah, because it's so small anyway Now of course my Start 9 isn't working anymore Why? What happened I don't know! I went to open up Helipad and the tour doesn't connect I rebooted the box Tour doesn't connect Nothing Could it be some...I don't know I have to figure out now I didn't have time to fix it before Before the shit, you know it's probably because they they jumped on the knots thing and it probably screwed up the whole node You follow any of that Start knives like yeah We're all for this so no probably broke. I don't know what happens is not a dead thing now I don't know but I don't know it didn't work out That's all I know It was a lot of noise for something that didn't work out Yeah for sure

46:20 Yeah, so you got anything else on that or I can switch gears? No. You can switch gears We probably need to talk about this first of all your buzzing your buzzing what's buzz me yeah, you're buzzing. Yeah I did nothing. Yeah, you did no I didn't yeah there's a USB cable near your mic cable I've done nothing. Okay, it's gone now yeah you're just like the Vorac no no nothing changed move this around All i did was put some chocolate by my keyboard Ah! There is is stop it with the chocolate It has got lead in it okay Spotify skip ahead button Oh well yes this is exactly where I wanted to go but I was leaving it up to you and I would like to give everybody the quote of the week

47:14 The quote of the week comes to you from The Pod Sage. I quote verbatim, "...I look at what AMP wants podcast app developers to do in support of advertisers... ...then I look at what podcast app developers are actually doing with advert skipping." One of those will win out! And it isn't the one that requires tons of first-party data collection reporting and taking on privacy liabilities. Was signed Dave Jones August 7th 2026 undersigned Take remove the chocolate because that buzzes back move the chocolate. I did nothing this I'm telling you haven't even eaten have not even eaten the job It's always a USB cable that does this I mean, I can shit I can just move it's just move the cable I'm just gonna get

48:06 There that yeah perfect do it live I just I just whacked the roadcaster stop the hammering What kind of chocolate this is I don't know. It has no, it's generic chocolate. It has natural flavors. Chocolove is what it's called. Chocolove? Chocolove. Spell this for me choco love C-H-O-C-O L-O-V-E chocolove. That is our show title perfect and right under it its got XOXOXO. Chocolove baby yeah

48:45 You know there's a rapper out there named Chocolo. That is 100% the case. Word! So yeah, people are losing their mind about the Spotify skip ahead button this is inevitable Well first of all I thought you know me in the secret WhatsApp group It's really just a secret. I love that you're in this, you can relay... I can't believe they haven't kicked me out yet! I mean i'm just-I'm just a lurker and in the secret whatsapp group so there was kind of a lead up to this So we had-so first we had PodTastic right? Remember PodTastic Yeah oh yeah And then came Castria which sounds like castration I don't know why that is A terrible name for an app Yeah, Castria

49:34 And I think they all kind of do the same thing. It's like, you know it downloads the show and then it gives you opportunities to skip and what was interesting is in The WhatsApp group when I think was Castrillo when that came out The Criddler went nuts He's like this is Bob This is an outrage and he filed a copyright violation against them in the app stores Because they're infringing on copyright which I actually don't think they are Is it like maybe an international thing difference? No, no. The idea that It's changing your material Whatever If they're re-hosting it there is an argument there Re-hosting on the app

50:27 Yeah, no that you down local. You don't I think so but it doesn't matter Okay All right But the outrage was just off the charts and then Spotify comes out with pretty much the same thing And it was like hmm. Oh we've got to look at this What are they doing? You know, but I didn't see anyone filing any copyright claims against a Spotify app So I just thought that was interesting. And then subsequently... Well, the Spotify app in their defense they just have a button the other app does it automatically Okay so this and this goes to what i've been saying for months and I think you just said It is unavoidable It Is The Future because everybody now can vibe code their own thing

51:13 Yeah, you know it may take you eight weeks to get it approved through the App Store boy things are going but You know this is the future and I used to get really upset just by the fast you know The two 2x 3x speed because to me that was a I felt violated like I put all this effort in To make everything sound good. I put in a pauses John and I would have pauses that were purposeful meaningful and intentional and You know overcast cuts him out, you know like and as I felt my art was violated but I gave up because hey it now I give you the show you do whatever you want with it and This is where all

52:03 Applications are going all applications will be completely user-defined I know because I'm already doing it myself. I don't but I don't have to use your stupid outlook I created my own spreadsheet viewer and it does and works the way I want it too And I just did it by telling the robot to build something in a built-in boom done you So this is going to happen. This is unavoidable and people do not care in general... First of all, most people think that the app is putting the ads in They don't even realize that it comes from the podcasters I hear this all the time Yes Hey man you know this Podverse app You keep telling me to use It's putting ads in man No no That's actually not the app That is from the podcaster

52:52 When someone pays a premium for YouTube as an example, now YouTube of course is very separate because they sell the ads. You know, you don't get to as a producer. You don't put in your own dynamically inserted ads YouTube does all that for you so YouTube then gives you I think 45% of a subscription fee for that second that someone apparently listened and So there's some kind of compensation But when people pay for an ad free experience on Spotify they expect an ad-free experience including dynamically insert ads which is really where it all went wrong

53:32 It all went wrong with the dynamically inserted ads. And people, funny enough you know it's tolerated it's a part of culture we've had ads in our face all this time but no one really likes them even though they're helpful and they don't even realize how it works but ultimately the way computing is going with local LLMs and scripting capabilities that you can just ask your phone or your computer to make something. It's all, it's people are gonna do it! You can't stop it. It's like ad blockers. The ad blockers are just a thing and no one even thinks twice about them This is going the way of blogs. It just will That's yeah... The blog analogy is probably the best one I've heard

54:29 I mean, nobody or very few people can make... The only people making money off blogs are people who are blogs that take paid subscribers. Well, yeah- Like on a Substack or a Stratechery or one of those things. Substack is genius. Substack is genius because they make it possible for... It's kind of an although you can say this is only for subscribers which I don't feel like it But once you've supported one of the sub stacks, then it's just one click. Then it's like oh okay yeah I want to support this guy with $8 a month click one click done and it just runs until you look at your credit card statement like why am I supporting this guy again? But to me it still the open value for value system is still the best It still is the best way to do it

55:26 It's just it's not for everybody and we still have this mentality of old school. There are 24 hours in a day, there are 60 minutes in an hour We're going to allocate five minutes of that hour towards commercials. It is a linear system. It just doesn't really work except at huge scale which is where Google wins Yeah, I think along those same lines. To me it shows the skip ahead button thing shows how much more valuable premium subscribers are than ad support. Ad revenue can generate large numbers on paper but when it comes to profit

56:18 I've yet to see that it's very profitable in the digital age. It works for things like Google and Facebook because They own the entire stack. Yeah, including the ads there on this ad sale side yeah they're selling the ads and displaying in the ads and have all the users and have all the advertisers And have all the businesses that it's a closed ecosystem We still don't actually know if they're even profitable Exactly That's exactly because YouTube never breaks out their profit Nope

56:58 And they've never spun YouTube off as a separate business, which is an obvious thing to do. Yes, so Spotify feels like giving their paying subscribers the ability to skip ads They feel that that's worth it to keep the paying subscribers paying over what they would lose from the ad revenue So they there you do this calculation and you say okay well if I do this button, I'm gonna lose a specific I'm gonna lose a certain amount of ad revenue. You're gonna make them to certain amount of people angry but I am willing to lose that because the risk of losing our Premium users to YouTube who also has this skip button Yeah is too is too high as YouTube already has the skip button and it's had it for a long time

57:51 Right, but this isn't even about Skip man. This is about everything Well I agree, but it's like do The interesting thing to me is Spotify you go back to the amp accords Which I'm probably the only person that will ever still talk about the Amp Accords. Everybody else is like, the whole world has moved on. But the Amp Accords Spotify was supposedly in the room with the amp people... We can't confirm that because not everybody agreed to be publicly recognized They were on the list

58:29 And then they turn around and do this. Yeah, they agreed to all these things. Yeah we're we're all on board with the AMP thing and uh...and then they turn around do a skip button yeah like whoa I mean that's just like rug pulling the hell out of everybody that was part of the AMP thing so it there is clearly for the same reason that YouTube does it my feeling is that YouTube makes way more money from premium subscribers than they do from advertising. So, they use the fact that advertising is super annoying as the single primary driver to make you sign up for premium? Yeah! Exactly

59:19 Advertising is only useful to these sorts of companies as a way to drive you to pay them cash on our monthly basis for premium subscription. You know, and it's exactly what you said the old model of linear broadcasting there honestly okay if you think about it The only two advertising-supported content delivery mechanisms that we've ever had, fully advertising supported were broadcast television and broadcast radio. There were other ad supported mediums like newspapers and magazines but they were not fully ad supported you still had to buy a subscription

1:00:09 The advertising dollars for magazines and newspapers and those kinds of things, those were additional revenue for the publication. But let us remember where did the real revenue come from for newspapers? Classified ads. Yeah that's right And so you had multiple revenue streams. The only two things that were ever fully supported by advertising only were broadcast linear broadcast radio in television Those mo- the, like you said the inventory constraint. The scarcity of the number of hours in a day made that a workable model but that just is... those days are gone! Gone! Dead! She's dead Jim! Hey by the way my Start 9 just came alive

1:01:01 Oh, how about that? All channels are closed. Hey! Those bastards at Podcast Index closed my channel! Yeah, you started out like we're so back wait what Yeah, so I just mean this but it is inevitable. Just go beyond it because if you look at what cast Castratee did Castradia let me see Castria podcast app Because it had some other interesting features that I thought were okay here a Castria app It hasn't been taken down yet and wonder why? Okay, so they sell it as

1:01:45 The Castry app skips the ads in every podcast for you automatically. 100% free plus and here it is AI summary searchable transcripts tap to jump topics offline listening You know, it's starting to do things that I'm interested in just a simple example Every Friday now, I have more time on my hands for some reason but every Friday Oh, how's that? Yeah every Friday I want to get the latest from Pod News Weekly Review. And, I just have my robot and my robot knows hey it's time for podcasting 2.0 Okay! Alright, i'm going to go look at all of Dave's posts on the index. I'm gonna go look at JS because Sportalock always has interesting things to look at It looks at my bench of articles that I've saved Then it goes and gets a transcript from... actually does its own transcript

1:02:44 So it gets a Pod News Weekly Review, gets the transcript and then looks for things that I'm interested in. And it cross-references the topics that you're talking about and Spurlock is talking about It surfaces those...and gives me a little clip to listen to! I mean come on!! That's beautiful! It IS beautiful. You know? I just dreamt it up The Dream Build Loop is phenomenal These The current state of these ad blocks... Excuse me, EricPP. Yes! Today's two witty openers were literally written by the robot I was surprised myself The way that these things are right now I'm guessing Castria is vibe coded? I'm assuming that it is Maybe maybe Maybe I'm wrong I wonder who's behind this hmm

1:03:44 This is a knowing thing. I don't know it wonder who's behind it, wonder whose vibe coding a lot? Hmm...I wonder who created that app hmmm So the current state of them boils down to all these ad skipping apps bowls down to this if you want an app that randomly removes parts of the podcast that you're listening to, grab one of these apps. Because right now they are completely all over the map. They will just pull entire sections of the episode out that are not ads but because they think it is and you'll just randomly find parts missing so... But that's always the first go

1:04:36 these things will get better over time. They always do, and in a few years... In a few years this is- ad skipping it's just gonna be the way this stuff works man. Everything is going to do it. Everything's gonna do it you're baked in ad? Sorry It's not gonna survive. Mmhmm. It's just not so I don't know what that I don't know what the answer is This was always the problem with the Amp Accords and with all these discussions The heart, the more ads you bake it. I listened to a couple of iHeart radio podcasts one of them is Better Offline. That thing is covered with ads yeah It's eaten up with ads. The ad load in that in iHeart

1:05:31 On iHeart, the ad load is huge. And it's always funny to me because their tagline for iHeart podcast is guaranteed human but like a good 50% of the ad reads are AI generated obviously so those things are covered up with ads Acast podcasts covered up with ads this isn't industry that just shooting itself in the foot Yeah! Like they always do Always but I'm not if I'm not sad about it. Honestly, I'm not none Yeah, I get everything I want I pay for things Now I support stuff That's that's how that's how it works for me and all this other stuff is just in the way man It's in the way and you know we have

1:06:23 We have an extra 500,000 podcasts that have been created that very few listen to. That all been vibe coded and text-to-speech created It's all useless And you know what? Podcasters themselves are idiots You know the whole idea How do you really feel? I'm gonna break it down for ya Let's dive in Deep dive Deep dive, let's do a deep dive Tina used to listen to The Megyn Kelly Podcast And then Megyn Kelly went video. And then she would watch the Megyn Kelly podcast on YouTube and then of course what you do is, you create your little segments and post that in the shorts or you create a 14 minute segment of a certain guest...and then she only watches that! I mean you're shooting yourself in the foot! This whole HLS video, I love it man, I love that technically works but

1:07:24 Even on I don't know the exact details but with RSS.com, okay You're not starting off free you have to get the max plan and i'm not sure if there are limitations They may have none because those those guys they've got some magic voodoo over there love them Whereas like oh just do whatever you want wow that's great um But ultimately everyone has to put some limits on the amount of accesses you can have of your HLS video and it's just going to come down to, okay what kind of money can I actually make on it to offset the cost versus throwing your crap up on YouTube or on X. You watch with this x-money thing Elon is gonna do something with that thats gonna screw up YouTube big time

1:08:18 You really think so? Yeah, I do. Everybody hates him so much though But that's irrelevant Money is money Meh...I can't tolerate X anymore It's nothing but Russian car crash videos and anthropic ads That's your algo Do you have ads on X? I don't have any ads I don't know what ad you're talking about I mean, they're just native. They look like riposte. Sure but people will if you have a link to your podcast and it's video It won't be audio is video and this on X and you can click a button with your x-money Hey, I got $25 free from Elon for just signing up for x money. I got 25 bucks He said I love Elon he's a great guy. I Love that guy

1:09:10 You know, I don't think... No. It's just that I don't see it. None of it makes any sense and ultimately the audience is in control. The audience is in control! And RSS and podcasting the way was created was completely the antithesis of what its trying to be shoehorned into Well, I think you're right. It all started with dynamic ad insertion That's where it screwed up That was the beginning of what will ultimately become a medium that is forced into subscription support. Yeah, but that is so limited!

1:09:54 But when I say subscription support, that was a mistake. I should have said direct audience support Okay yeah that's different because subscription support... Yeah if you have 100 000 people then you can convert 10 000 of those to $1 a month boom! You know? That's living but you got to get to that hundred thousand first. You don't do that by saying well if you really want to hear the good stuff, the premium content give me a break No. I'm a broadcaster from the old days, you know? It's got to be free-to-air people have got to be able to access it and then you just have to tell them like hey You know if if you don't support us we go away and it works Well bit the Bitcoin lightning ecosystem wedged itself into a hole where in every win It's like okay We're gonna take what could have been this well could've been

1:10:47 a support mechanism layered on top of podcasting, an open podcasting for open source all the way down and decided through I don't know VC or something driven mechanics to bifurcate This whole you know lightning into two systems over here on we're gonna have nostrils apps and we're gonna have podcasting boosts Yeah, the best blah blah blah. The best thing about it was Bitcoin the worst thing about it was Bitcoin It was the best in the worst of both things but now but now I think So now its may is it's making itself irrelevant and then so what we're left with is

1:11:40 like for forcing, forcing podcasting in... Like what am I trying to say? What are you trying to say? Say something. I think what we were trying to do We were trying to build a system on top of podcasting that was also open That would allow everybody to get paid Yeah including the apps Right and so now That is still the goal. Yeah, because if we look into the future of a time when advertising is blocked at the app level across the board there has to be some other mechanism in place to allow Value for Value to continue to support podcasters and for them to make a living and I think that

1:12:39 What we're left with is things like X402, funding tag. You know the I don't know some sort of stable coin I don't know. There's other mechanisms in play." Well, the funding tag just works for me and it was really our own app where I discovered oh man this is just so easy it has a big button right there support this show click opens up okay Oh Stripe? Well I'm already somehow... It has my information already I don't know if that's through Shopify or something else. I'm not sure how that got in there, but okay so it stored my payment method and with a message And you know i've been doing this for we get to do this It was so beautiful So we have Stripe and PayPal and stripe has Apple Pay, it's got all Venmo, no paypal is part of venmo Venmo is part of PayPal Everything is covered everything

1:13:44 And I built my own helipad. I said, Robot, uh... ...I need to have a spreadsheet for every show. Robot went, okay Adam! Uh... ...I need some tokens for the API here's how you get them Okay make sure it's read only Adam, okay. And then give it the tokens in an env file and it builds a spreadsheet for me It's beautiful It has the comments, it goes into my email checks for any comments that were sent to notes at WGTDT.com pulls them out puts them in and this is what I'm talking about Yeah The world is changing so rapidly And if I can do it other people can do this too For sure Only the blessed but otherwise Duh

1:14:46 I'm hopeful for the future of creators having a way to, for podcasters have a way to get paid value-for-value that's open. And one thing that gives me hope is the most recent Apple court Yeah. Stuff like within the last couple of days, they've had you know they've essentially

1:15:33 If you're watching, if you're keeping track of this they've admitted that fees are too high. That they shouldn't have charged... Actually if you read between the lines they're saying that they should have charged zero. Yeah but just a response to Chad F. Yes Chad F. Podverse has a funding tag but it's a little icon with a dollar sign on a coin going into a slot You know? That's obscure to me Like, I need... because i got a big play button. A big live button. I've got a big unsubscribe button It's easy to unsubscribe but it's not easy to pay! Right under the unsubscribe put donate That's my point Yes its there But I can't tell everybody for every app Go and look for this Go and look for the little icon of a coin with a dollar sign on it People? That's my point Its a user experience issue It's not a technical issue

1:16:30 So, yeah. What I'm trying to say is that I have a hope that there's alternatives beyond Lightning and they seem to be all easy-to-adopt we just have to make sure which has been our thing from the very beginning We have to make sure that the app gets a cut Yep That is the way to success You have to. If another system crops up where only the creator and the hosting companies get paid, and the advertising agencies... if only those people get paid again well then it's a failure

1:17:18 And Daniel J. Lewis, don't tell me not to use the word donate that's not true I've been using that for 19 years on no agenda we say donate so don't tell me with that we need to stop using that word Um...I think there is a couple of things uh..that i want to talk too We probably wanna talk about this next week and wanna cover like I was going to talk about it today, but i think i want to talk about it next week because i need time. I want to throw together some rough ideas first um Alberto from rss.com reached out to me about a about publishing uh adding a public new public data set today to the index interesting with all the location tags that we have okay and so

1:18:13 What his thought is, is that if we have a public data set of all the location tags that we could build an atlas or some other tool like the same way it was done for Podroll. So basically just a huge discovery mechanism Based on that big that data set for geolocation in apps For geo location. Yeah for like where because he was giving examples I haven't really even looked at that data in a long time He was giving examples of some really interesting location tags that he's finding in podcasts Well, they have an RSS comm in their publish interface the published dashboard They give you two location tag options

1:19:03 You can use both. What is this about and where's this recorded? Yes, that's great I love that in some of the things that he was mentioning in his note to me really cool you know like some If I remember right it's like a church and the side of a mountain in Italy or something It was really neat. I mean so I think we can use I think he's right We need to make this more easily accessible to people So I'm game to do this and I want I want to get a rough data set up first next week and I'll have a location for it on the show next week. And then if other people have ideas about, then once people see it they could give feedback on how they would change you know if any changes or whatever. That's that's a good idea is also good for people who want to start a podcast. Where something missing?

1:19:57 Hmm. Yeah, yeah exactly you know kind of yeah kind of like the way they do with Categories it's like what is a niche category? Yeah? Yeah and I'm all about hyper local I mean that still that's still the way to go Hyperlocal podcasting is dynamite lots of people are doing it they have a lot of fun They're not doing it for money necessarily but they are often supported by their local community and And we have the North Idaho, North ID podcast. NOID I can't remember the name of it. They're kind of doing a local no agenda for the Idaho

1:20:34 for their area of Idaho, and it's super popular. Yeah this is where you can still have a lot of success where everything the whole podcast industrial complex pushes everybody towards volume gotta have more volume grow your show grow your show RIP Todd yeah And then the other thing was the podcast contact tag I'm high on this thing. I still think it's a good idea, yeah! I do too can we...can somebody Daniel you're busy can somebody write this up as a PR? Well i think Dan already did a lot of this work with San Filippo Yeah he did but

1:21:28 I would like to have it as a pull request. But don't distract the child from the good work he's already doing, He is working on the splits with Stripe. That is why I said he was busy! But you put it out there. Okay Daniel when your done with the Stripe thing then do that or if somebody else wants to do it somebody can do it But don't get distracted. Yeah, please don't squirrel. I'm gonna run over here! I think it's a great idea and i think it needs to move forward. I'm with you on that. I'm with you. I'm with ya big time What is the podcast contact tag again? That's just all the different ways that you can uh contact The Podcaster or The Show in question Yes

1:22:19 So, you know it's let me see if I've got maybe have a link to it. Let me see copy yes, I do here we go there you go Eric in the boardroom right there that will tell you everything you need to know nice yeah so I think those two things probably are important Probably again, you know probably something again for next week would be the podcast image tag. I want to have an idea for using that For custom app icon delivery. I mean just have your app resize it on the fly Yeah, but this is this is I'm gonna this is an example of a method of using it yeah

1:23:04 But we can talk about this next week. I know we're running low on time. Well, let us thank some people for supporting the podcast index and the entire project that it is. We're repurposing machines now. That's what it has come down to. Yeah! But we really appreciate everybody who supports us value for value We've got a donate button. Oh my god, we're not a non-profit! We've got a donate button at the bottom of our page podcastindex.org You are supporting the lifeblood of Podcast Index Adam and Dave get none of this the kitty and it supports all of the machines and everything that is running to keep this going with some room to spare so we appreciate it as you continue to support. Every single dollar makes a difference, even five dollars buys us one of our little mini servers for a month So we appreciate all of you And I unfortunately have no way of looking at anything past one week ago on Helipad

1:24:05 Why? Because my channel's closed. Two weeks ago, I'm sorry... two weeks ago yeah this thing sucks But it should be in the helipad What thing sucks? Start 9! No, they closed two weeks ago so I only have- Oh, oh, I see The last uh, I have a TrueFans 4Sats So that was a streaming payment for episode 266 and I don't have anything else then it goes to 2 weeks ago So you probably have more accurate information than I have. Well, let me do... I'm not sure if I'll get much more accurate information than you do. I've got... I extracted the Albi Hub data

1:24:54 And it was like, there's nothing there. I don't understand. Everyone has given up on us! I guess? Those guys... Well Comicstripblogger is the last of the Mohicans. DCgirl said that she sent us a comment and I can't find it. I'm gonna have to get her to resend it Uh, we see we got some PayPal. So we get Chris a bunch of them actually Chris Bernardik five bucks Thank You Dreb Scott $15. Thank you Dreb Michael Kimmerer five dollars and 33 cents Charles Hicks five dollars Let's see is this one-off no it says uh

1:25:42 Oh, Paul DeBruin. Yeah this is a one-off $10 great job you're doing he says thank you Paul well Thank You Paul Cameron Rose 25 bucks thank you cameras see this is the oh this is from Ralph Ralph a step 50 bucks Thank You Ralph Martin Linda scope $1 Thank You Martin pod page Brendan Mulligan and pod page of 25 bucks Joseph Maraca, five bucks. Thank you. Oh look what we got here. It's a one-off from Blueberry $100. Nice! I'll give you a baller for that. Shot caller 20 inch blaze on the Impala. Nice thank you boys and girls of Blueberry

1:26:32 He says from the guys and gals at Blueberry, not fringe anymore. Go podcasting! Not fringe... Where is my go podcast thing? Where did that thing go? That's interesting. Let's see we got... Oh yeah you lost your gopodcasting! There it is. Got it. Mitchell Downey 50 bucks thank you Mitch. Christopher Harbark, 10 bucks. A double from Mitch, 10 bucks. Damon Kasejak 15. Now we got a one off another one-off I don't know how to pronounce this name $10 from Rerez Ion Petrescu it's r-a-r-e-s dash i-o-a-n Thank you

1:27:26 Yes, thank you very much. Terry Keller $5 and I'm sorry for messing your name up. Silicon florist $10 Thank You Christopher Cowan five bucks Paul Salzman twenty two dollars twenty two cents as always Jerry Fisker there Jay Fisker the best name in podcasting $21 who's uno can pull out unal Campolot Five dollars, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. Jeremy Gerdt's five dollars and that's it as our pay pals And the proof is always in the pudding You know if I look at op3.dev and they'll look on how many people actually Apparently download this show or wouldn't say that they are podcasting 2.0 let's see what OP 3 says huh

1:28:23 We don't even show up on the list anymore. Here we go, we're page four! Okay... We suck. Let me see here's an example let me see what we have so the last 30 days is a bad example of course because we were missing two shows. I mean they've gone too long yeah. Let me go back to well that's June 1st I mean, so we have 5,000 downloads in the last 30 days. You can't even get it at inserted ads with that amount of downloads? Oh yes! It's weak. Yeah, weak you know... So actually our downloads in July oh and June here we go June

1:29:08 unique audience in June. Whatever Spurlock says is, I'll take it as gospel 5,721 we're running an entire index off of this with people just supporting us with value for value that's my point. It's amazing yeah no it's not its how it works but that's the beauty of it and what just yapping? We're just catching up you know communities involved And they support us. That's all that it has to be now if we said, we're closing it down and we need to have money to survive people would support us or not Yeah Or they wouldn't and we wouldn't survive Yeah It's that simple Truly that simple Let me see We got a reran So I said that I would fix the Albi Hub export thing And I mostly did

1:30:08 So I got three. I just reran it again, and got three out of here but for some reason i can't see the message that I think may be from Martin Lindescoke or it might be from Sam. It's on True Fans and let me read the first two. We've got three one of them is from Fountainuser9401873488328 and he or she says, have some sats before AI steals them. It's 10 thousand sats. Nice! Thank you. CommissDripBlogger is the delimiter but I'm going to try to find this other one first though it's a true fan so if i take this URL this boost url from TrueFans Yeah and you hit it And if I copy it and paste it into a web browser I was thinking that I would see the boost message

1:31:12 But what I see is just our page on TrueFans. No comment, no boost there? I'm going to try to read the message out of the spreadsheet. Out of the database! Get it from... yeah get it from The Table okay It says, I will continue to stream Satoshi's Do you have a snail mail address? I would like to send you a symbolic silver coin Oh. Someday in the cutoff. Morning? In the morning... Here's another one, let me try this other one. This looks like the same message. This is fascinating. This is great stuff. Payment see because I hit the payment URL nothing Let me paste this into boardroom maybe somebody else can figure this out that's that's the one I'm trying to read yeah oh wait it

1:32:17 Oh yeah, it's Martin Lindesky. He says oh okay he just posted it in I'll continue to stream Satoshi's do you have a snail mail address? I would like to send you a symbolic silver coin someday in the future Yeah you got to go to the comments tab on that page That's where it shows up Oh, so you gotta click it and then go to the comments. Yes. But what... Do you have a favorite bullion coin? Yes gold I have an artistic copper coin not legal tender with the Fibonacci sequence 011235 FYI I got credited to my wallet on TrueFans with the unused balance from my audio hosting subscription The amount of Satoshis covered this booster gram Well i'm giving you a like Nice! I'm giving you a like A little heart Yeah ill do that too Like Oh, I've got to sign in

1:33:03 Comedy Strip blogger. There he is! 23,999 sets He made it...he somehow made it happen Okay Even through all the lightningpocalypse Howdy Dave and Adam So When Adam moved to Texas before he met Tina The Keeper aka his current wife He had only one friend there, Gene. Coincidentally that gene just gave me epic interview about how to get rich off AI generated music and tips on how to improve it Watch Gene talking over 1 hour to me on YouTube Just search for AI Arch Wizard Yo CSB Ozempic Taker

1:33:46 Soon to be blind. Soon, pancreatic cancer victim! Thank you ComicstureBlogger We love...you know I just need him in the we get to do this community because then and we know it'll take off when comic your blogger arrives that's when your community takes off You need that guy. You need that guy, you need that guy! Everybody needs a comic strip blogger. There's nothing like the original, the OG comic strip blogger. The OG CSB? You gotta have the OG CSB there is nothing quite like him. Alright everybody board meeting, board room thank you very much for being here once again sorry we missed two weeks um... We should be good to go next week

1:34:28 Yeah, I'm good to go. End of the month i'm going back to the Netherlands so I get to meet my granddaughter and hopefully...I'll be taking my rigs so we'll just have to figure out the times but I think I can do the board meeting. I have a little more time on my hands these days it turns out Yeah, you do. I'm gonna go install a carburetor You go do that i'll have the beer all right okay everybody hey everybody have a great weekend uh thanks for being here once again for the board meeting where everybody's a star podcasting 2.0 see you next friday You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast index org for more information Okay