Podverse comes up in 5 chapters across 4 episodes of Podcasting 2.0, from May 2026 to August 2026, with guest John Spurlock.
The hosts discuss recent developments in Apple's fee structures and the need for better user interfaces in podcast apps. They argue that "donate" buttons should be as prominent as "unsubscribe" buttons to ensure that creators and app developers can successfully monetize through direct support.
A lengthy segment acknowledges various listener donations received via PayPal and the Lightning Network over a three-week period. Contributors include individual supporters and industry figures like Mitchell Downey from Podverse and Brendan Mulligan from Podpage. The segment highlights the "Value for Value" model in action, with donors sending amounts ranging from $1 to $50 to support the ongoing operations of the Podcast Index and the show.
Adam Curry outlines a "rug pull" strategy for the PCDC, where data is initially provided for free to prove its value before transitioning to a paid model. He suggests starting with intrepid apps like Podverse and PodFriend to set an example for larger players like Pocket Casts to eventually follow.
The hosts discuss the need for financial incentives to keep independent apps like Podverse and Fountain sustainable. They argue that if the Data Collective can generate even small amounts of revenue for these developers, it will encourage more growth and innovation within the independent ecosystem.
A new Podcast Index API endpoint has been launched to allow podcast apps to upload anonymized follower count data via CSV files. This data, consisting of feed URLs and subscriber totals, will be used to improve search rankings and train AI models to distinguish between popular "good" feeds and "slop." Apps like TrueFans are already moving to implement this specification to provide the index with first-party popularity signals.
